Does the 991 feel too big sometimes?
10-19-2015, 10:49 AM
#16
Rennlist Member
Too big.. no. I'm 6'2" 205 lbs and the little extra room is nice to have. Nice to be able to put some things behind me on the "seats" and the creature comforts are really nice to have in a DD. Had a 997 Turbo. Great car. Too noisy and the lack of features made it tough, at times, to be a true great DD. 991 solved all these "problems" for me.
10-19-2015, 11:05 AM
#17
Race Director
Unfortunately I believe that the 991 was the beginning of the end of an era. An unbelievable modern NA 911.
But showing signs of marketing to a broader customer group, dealing with emissions regulations, and trying to please the iPhone crowd.
This is all in a world where Porsche will make what sells, as opposed to making what they believe in. Compromises are being made which do not benefit the enthusiast driver. They are concerned about tomorrow's buyer which is where future sales come from. Understandable. A model these days needs to have a broad appeal. The niche enthusiast driver doesn't drive big sales $$.
Looking at Porsche's history, it's a very different company today than it was in the past. They've evolved to survive. Obviously that comes at a cost.
It is what it is... Good news, many nice examples of all 911's for sale. The used market for the classics reflect their desirability as the greatest 911's ever made.
The 911 has had it's ups and downs. To its credit it's survived 50+yrs which may be its biggest accomplishment. It always finds it's way. You never know, one of the best 911's may be one that's hasn't been built yet
Enjoy the drive!
But showing signs of marketing to a broader customer group, dealing with emissions regulations, and trying to please the iPhone crowd.
This is all in a world where Porsche will make what sells, as opposed to making what they believe in. Compromises are being made which do not benefit the enthusiast driver. They are concerned about tomorrow's buyer which is where future sales come from. Understandable. A model these days needs to have a broad appeal. The niche enthusiast driver doesn't drive big sales $$.
Looking at Porsche's history, it's a very different company today than it was in the past. They've evolved to survive. Obviously that comes at a cost.
It is what it is... Good news, many nice examples of all 911's for sale. The used market for the classics reflect their desirability as the greatest 911's ever made.
The 911 has had it's ups and downs. To its credit it's survived 50+yrs which may be its biggest accomplishment. It always finds it's way. You never know, one of the best 911's may be one that's hasn't been built yet
Enjoy the drive!
Last edited by STG; 10-19-2015 at 12:18 PM.
10-19-2015, 11:30 AM
#18
Race Director
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Interested in the business side of Porsche? Become a RL member if you're not. Great post from Eduardo in the members only "off topic" area.
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Interested in the business side of Porsche? Become a RL member if you're not. Great post from Eduardo in the members only "off topic" area.
Porsche will only be as good as the players behind the scenes. One aspect many people don't realize.
Last edited by STG; 10-19-2015 at 11:46 AM.
10-19-2015, 03:29 PM
#19
Rennlist Member
Coming from my 981 CS to my 991 C2S it did feel bigger, but once I got used to it and realized the higher limits of this car. I don't find it as big feeling anymore.
Also on longer road trips, it's MUCH more liveable, as my 981 had the X73.
Also on longer road trips, it's MUCH more liveable, as my 981 had the X73.
10-20-2015, 01:14 PM
#20
Actually Porsche does what every American car manufacturer has done for the past sixty years. The difference is that the American cars gets bigger a lot quicker. Compare the dimensions of the C1 Corvette released in 1954 to the C3 Corvette in 1969 or the first Mustang released around 1964 to the 1970 models. The American market prefers big cars.
10-20-2015, 02:50 PM
#21
I think part of the reason has to do with safety standards. Another is the performance of the car. The car has to be a little bigger to stay on the road. My 991S will go 190 mph-the older cars were slower and all of the government regulations did not apply to some of the older models.
10-20-2015, 02:57 PM
#22
I love the intimacy of my 997 GT3, and I do feel the difference in the 991. To me it is a great everyday car, with the correct size to match it's now more luxurious creature comforts. But, while I like the roomier inside, I would prefer it to be small on the outside. The car was made bigger to stabilize the chassis from the snap oversteer and the plaguing understeer. Porsche made a marvelous "911." But is it a 911? To me, yes. To 993 and 964 guys, probably not.
05-26-2019, 11:01 AM
#23
05-26-2019, 11:23 AM
#24
Pro
I'm just jumping back in to the world of 911's, and loved my old 996 because it felt to tight and small real estate-wise. So I bought a 2007 C4S 6 speed. I love it SOOOOO much I'm thinking of getting into a step up before I transfer it and lose the sales tax.
So I'm looking at a 2012 GTS. More power (408HP). But no 4WD which I think is more thrilling when you punch it.
Or a stunning 2013 C4S. Much more modern. A little less power at 400HP. I drove a 991 Carrera S and strangely enough it didn't feel much "quicker" than my C4S which is only 355HP.
Perhaps the 2012 GTS will be more visceral because it's a little smaller. Can you give me your honest experiences?
FWIW I'm getting a manual transmission in any case.
So I'm looking at a 2012 GTS. More power (408HP). But no 4WD which I think is more thrilling when you punch it.
Or a stunning 2013 C4S. Much more modern. A little less power at 400HP. I drove a 991 Carrera S and strangely enough it didn't feel much "quicker" than my C4S which is only 355HP.
Perhaps the 2012 GTS will be more visceral because it's a little smaller. Can you give me your honest experiences?
FWIW I'm getting a manual transmission in any case.
05-26-2019, 05:02 PM
#25
To me it only seems big if I try thinking it is big. You need to try something, drive a base. I will not get into a discussion about this but you owe it to yours to just do it and drive a base to see what it feels like to you and you only. Try to mentally blindfold yourself and do it.
05-26-2019, 05:26 PM
#26
It's not THAT much bigger. The design is misleading. Also remember that the 991.1 is lighter than a 991.2 and the 991.2 is lighter than a 992. A 991.1 is also lighter than a 996 and 997. The low weight of a 991.1 is astonishing and special.
05-26-2019, 06:12 PM
#28
Right for me!
I used to have a 981 several years ago and it felt more “intimate” because the limited movement of the seat.
My first Porsche which was a 964 Cab which definitely felt smaller than my 991.2 C2S.
My 991.2 C2S feel right for me and I’m only 5’10”.
My first Porsche which was a 964 Cab which definitely felt smaller than my 991.2 C2S.
My 991.2 C2S feel right for me and I’m only 5’10”.
05-27-2019, 12:29 AM
#30
Rennlist Member
Bigger? Yes. Bad? No!
My 997.2 Targa 4 was great. Raw and easily modded. Loved it. Felt small. My 991.2 Targa 4S felt bigger immediately. Not bad bigger, just bigger. Now that I'm used to it, it feels fine. Plenty fast. Plenty nimble. It is far more sophisticated! If that's bad, get a used older Pcar and be happy. If that's good, revel in the rear wheel steering. Revel in the boost when it comes up. You'll be driving a tremendous machine that will get you out of trouble when you push too far... And, you will. Enjoy the rush. I'm pleased with my move to the newer version. Bet you will be, too.