Thoughts on future GTS collectability if it stays NA
08-23-2015 | 07:44 PM
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Agree 100% that the focus should be to go with what you enjoy. No one can predict the future, especially long term. My guess aligns with others. I would be thrilled if in 30 years my 7MT, SPASM, non sunroof GTS is worth something close to what I paid. I seriously doubt it will happen before that timeframe. And by then, gasoline will probably be hard to find... 
If you keep any sporty car for 30 yrs in like new condition and relatively low miles it will be worth what you paid , Mustang or Porsche , etc. You would still be far ,far behind by the opportunity cost of putting that same number of dollars today into investments when you factor in 30 yrs of ins, maintenance, repairs, gas .....
Actually , a , say , 30 yr old Mustang GT350 would be worth much more then relative to orig MSRP than a C2S or even GTS .
Look at current asking prices of a 997 GTS vs a 997 GT3 compared to orig MSRP ..that's all you need to know now and in the future for its long term value for 911 buyers of each generation
08-24-2015 | 02:14 AM
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Its all about numbers ie supply & demand - 30 yrs ago no one bought a car as an investment so very few actually survived in "collector" low mile original spec cars whereas today everyone is at it. If the car was released in limited numbers and has enough appeal (demand) then it has a chance. As far as I know GTS is not a limited production model but its quite desirable and numbers are less than 991s so should fair better in depreciation.
08-24-2015 | 02:21 AM
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funny, but about 6 years ago i was looking at 911 RSAs, at 30-40k for a ten year old car. Now try TRIPLE that number. So who knows, except those cars are all the rage aircooled and all the rage. Water pumpers....is being that last of the NA cars ike the last of the air-cooled, not so sure
08-24-2015 | 10:23 AM
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I leave you with a last thought. When an acquaintance was passing away, the question was asked: What do you regret in life? The surprising answer was: I wish, I had used my fine china more, instead of just admiring it from the cabinet.
In short: life is short, enjoy it to the fullest.
In short: life is short, enjoy it to the fullest.
08-24-2015 | 12:43 PM
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Collectibles will be the truly rare, with some significant history, such as race winners, notable drivers or significant technology. The 918 will probably be collectible. Can't think of anything else in the current line-up that is likely to fit the bill. Maybe a successfully raced GT3 RS.
08-24-2015 | 01:51 PM
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I was wondering your thoughts, and what may happen with the future of the GTS, being collectable or sought after if it stays non turbo and naturally aspirated.
I have read the articles of the Carrera change up to turbos in the 991.2, but also have read two magazine articles that said the GT3 and the GTS would not get these changes.
Makes me wonder if the GTS will be sought after just for the fact of getting a NA type engine and the sound. It will give up nill in power to the turbo units. So why not just order and want the GTS over the turbo cars. Price point I know would be the biggest issue.
Than makes a person wonder if the Carrera S out does the GTS from 0-60 by 1/10 of a second like the article said, why wouldn't they do something to the GTS so its a tad quicker to carry the GTS badge. Or is this hogwash do you think and the GTS will get the turbo as well?
Thanks
I have read the articles of the Carrera change up to turbos in the 991.2, but also have read two magazine articles that said the GT3 and the GTS would not get these changes.
Makes me wonder if the GTS will be sought after just for the fact of getting a NA type engine and the sound. It will give up nill in power to the turbo units. So why not just order and want the GTS over the turbo cars. Price point I know would be the biggest issue.
Than makes a person wonder if the Carrera S out does the GTS from 0-60 by 1/10 of a second like the article said, why wouldn't they do something to the GTS so its a tad quicker to carry the GTS badge. Or is this hogwash do you think and the GTS will get the turbo as well?
Thanks
"S" turbo engine with the "Exclusive" powerkit (tune).
08-24-2015 | 01:56 PM
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Thoughts on future GTS collectability if it stays NA
Originally Posted by Larry Cable
its not going to stay N.A, all the press comments are in regard to the current production and the new facelifted turbo charged models. When they introduce the 991.2 GTS (probably 2-3 years from now) it will be the 3.0L
"S" turbo engine with the "Exclusive" powerkit (tune).
"S" turbo engine with the "Exclusive" powerkit (tune).
08-24-2015 | 02:55 PM
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+1 on that.
a) long-term for you my friend means more than a year
b) you should buy the Ferrari (if for no more reason than I want to drive it)
c) in 20 years the only driving you'll be doing is in your wheelchair
d) you'll never keep the Ferrari/GTS/whatever 20 years
I am considering ordering a 2016 GTS myself, configured the way I want it and that will be my long-term car if I do. But then again, I also think a Ferrari 599 will be worth WAY - WAY more than a Porsche GTS in 20 years, so I'm considering one of those as well.
b) you should buy the Ferrari (if for no more reason than I want to drive it)
c) in 20 years the only driving you'll be doing is in your wheelchair
d) you'll never keep the Ferrari/GTS/whatever 20 years
08-24-2015 | 04:26 PM
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I think the ground is pretty much covered with respect to the OP's original question.
I wouldn't bet against a 2016 GTS in pristine condition with very low miles and three pedals being worth original MSRP or slightly more in 20 years. If non-autonomous cars are even still allowed on the road then. But who wants to own a car like this and not drive it? Not me.
I wonder if there's an argument to be made for the 2016 Turbo being a potential collectible. It's the last year that the 911 performance icon will be identified with that word. It's kind of odd that, unless I'm missing something, it's about to sound stupid to identify a 911 variant as a "Turbo." In a way, sad, actually.
I wouldn't bet against a 2016 GTS in pristine condition with very low miles and three pedals being worth original MSRP or slightly more in 20 years. If non-autonomous cars are even still allowed on the road then. But who wants to own a car like this and not drive it? Not me.
I wonder if there's an argument to be made for the 2016 Turbo being a potential collectible. It's the last year that the 911 performance icon will be identified with that word. It's kind of odd that, unless I'm missing something, it's about to sound stupid to identify a 911 variant as a "Turbo." In a way, sad, actually.
08-24-2015 | 05:11 PM
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will it be N.A, turbo or hybrid, manual or PDK?
08-24-2015 | 07:22 PM
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its not going to stay N.A, all the press comments are in regard to the current production and the new facelifted turbo charged models. When they introduce the 991.2 GTS (probably 2-3 years from now) it will be the 3.0L
"S" turbo engine with the "Exclusive" powerkit (tune).
"S" turbo engine with the "Exclusive" powerkit (tune).
Because this GTS is the last NA 911 and most powerfull 991 with manual gearbox, i'm pretty sure it will allways be a desired model. Is it collectable? I don't think so. It will depreciate less than a regular 991, but it willl never have a higher value than what we pay today. I think it will depreciate 30% over the next 5 years, and from than the value will be stable. That's what i think.
08-25-2015 | 08:11 AM
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Oh, and he will tire of it in 6 months and get a newer, shinier, different and more powerful wheelchair.