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08-24-2015 | 02:25 PM
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He has said in separate interviews that the GT cars will remain NA in the near future. I'd have to find the article. He kind of distanced himself from the turbo engines and that they aren't as desirable as NA's (obviously!) We will have choices!
"GT3s are normally aspirated - period, said Preuninger."
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...he-911-gt-cars
"GT3s are normally aspirated - period, said Preuninger."
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...he-911-gt-cars
08-24-2015 | 02:31 PM
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He has said in separate interviews that the GT cars will remain NA in the near future. I'd have to find the article. He kind of distanced himself from the turbo engines and that they aren't as desirable as NA's (obviously!)
"GT3s are normally aspirated - period, said Preuninger."
"GT3s are normally aspirated - period, said Preuninger."
08-24-2015 | 02:37 PM
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We've all covered this material months ago in older posts. Just rehashing again. 
Like NA? There will be options in the near future with the GT cars. The direction I would take. Let the turbo zippers have their fun.
Like NA? There will be options in the near future with the GT cars. The direction I would take. Let the turbo zippers have their fun.
08-24-2015 | 02:44 PM
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08-24-2015 | 03:11 PM
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I think a re-reading of the articles is needed here, what they state is that effectively the 991.1 GTS will not receive a turbo engine (i.e it will not be
included the facelift launch) So while the 991.1 GTS and GT3 remain in
production they will not receive any engine upgrades...
It does *not* in my opinion state anything about future facelift models, in fact I'd argue that when a 991.2 facelift GTS does appear it will have the turbo engine, *and* it will have the performance tune referred to in the article, as have all previous 911 GTS models.
As to what happens with the GT3, who knows ... the RS had to go to a 4.0L to obtain the additional (claimed) 15bhp how they will get more from a 3.8 or 4.0 NA seems unclear to me unless they adopt an even larger displacement as the
aftermarket tuners have such as Manthey and Sharkwerks.
In short, if you want an N.A car, get one now ... its highly unlikely that the 'next' GTS in particular will be such.
included the facelift launch) So while the 991.1 GTS and GT3 remain in
production they will not receive any engine upgrades...
It does *not* in my opinion state anything about future facelift models, in fact I'd argue that when a 991.2 facelift GTS does appear it will have the turbo engine, *and* it will have the performance tune referred to in the article, as have all previous 911 GTS models.
As to what happens with the GT3, who knows ... the RS had to go to a 4.0L to obtain the additional (claimed) 15bhp how they will get more from a 3.8 or 4.0 NA seems unclear to me unless they adopt an even larger displacement as the
aftermarket tuners have such as Manthey and Sharkwerks.
In short, if you want an N.A car, get one now ... its highly unlikely that the 'next' GTS in particular will be such.
08-24-2015 | 03:58 PM
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He has said in separate interviews that the GT cars will remain NA in the near future. I'd have to find the article. He kind of distanced himself from the turbo engines and that they aren't as desirable as NA's (obviously!) We will have choices!
"GT3s are normally aspirated - period, said Preuninger."
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...he-911-gt-cars
"GT3s are normally aspirated - period, said Preuninger."
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...he-911-gt-cars
08-24-2015 | 04:32 PM
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What happens when the turbo'd Carrera S is faster than a GT3?
08-24-2015 | 04:38 PM
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What happens when the turbo'd Carrera S is faster than a GT3?
The future GT's will get faster and lighter. Who knows what they will do with future NA engines. Regardless, an NA engine is more than about speed. It's the driving experience as well.
I'm exhausted with the NA vs. Turbo debate at this point.
08-24-2015 | 05:09 PM
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The new 991.2 turbo'd Carrera S isn't going to be faster than the current GT3. We know that already.
The future GT's will get faster and lighter. Who knows what they will do with future NA engines. Regardless, an NA engine is more than about speed. It's the driving experience as well.
I'm exhausted with the NA vs. Turbo debate at this point.
The future GT's will get faster and lighter. Who knows what they will do with future NA engines. Regardless, an NA engine is more than about speed. It's the driving experience as well.
I'm exhausted with the NA vs. Turbo debate at this point.
08-24-2015 | 08:07 PM
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The new 991.2 turbo'd Carrera S isn't going to be faster than the current GT3. We know that already.
The future GT's will get faster and lighter. Who knows what they will do with future NA engines. Regardless, an NA engine is more than about speed. It's the driving experience as well.
I'm exhausted with the NA vs. Turbo debate at this point.
The future GT's will get faster and lighter. Who knows what they will do with future NA engines. Regardless, an NA engine is more than about speed. It's the driving experience as well.
I'm exhausted with the NA vs. Turbo debate at this point.
It was more a rhetorical question to highlight the issues created when we put together all the things we "know". We know GT cars will remain NA. We know the 911's performance gets better with every iteration. We know that Porsche adheres to a performance hierarchy within models. We know they are pretty close to the power ceilings on NA engines. We know that turbo'd engines have higher power potential.
Looking at all of these things as a whole, some of the things we know start to contradict the other things we know. Where we end up is anybody's guess.
In this information micro-economy, we are the price-takers.
08-24-2015 | 08:21 PM
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Not at all meaning to further a debate - if anything, I have skin in the NA camp having just placed an order for a GTS.
It was more a rhetorical question to highlight the issues created when we put together all the things we "know". We know GT cars will remain NA. We know the 911's performance gets better with every iteration. We know that Porsche adheres to a performance hierarchy within models. We know they are pretty close to the power ceilings on NA engines. We know that turbo'd engines have higher power potential.
Looking at all of these things as a whole, some of the things we know start to contradict the other things we know. Where we end up is anybody's guess.
In this information micro-economy, we are the price-takers.
It was more a rhetorical question to highlight the issues created when we put together all the things we "know". We know GT cars will remain NA. We know the 911's performance gets better with every iteration. We know that Porsche adheres to a performance hierarchy within models. We know they are pretty close to the power ceilings on NA engines. We know that turbo'd engines have higher power potential.
Looking at all of these things as a whole, some of the things we know start to contradict the other things we know. Where we end up is anybody's guess.
In this information micro-economy, we are the price-takers.
08-24-2015 | 08:30 PM
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08-24-2015 | 08:33 PM
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If the GT4 is an indicator, we could see a 911 "GT" variant with a manual box emerge in the future ... maybe a GT3 (but then there is the issue that it could be slower than the current PDK car) or maybe a new (Cayman) 'R'-like model
only time will tell...
08-24-2015 | 08:47 PM
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I wonder if AP regrets the decision to exclude a manual on the 991?
If the GT4 is an indicator, we could see a 911 "GT" variant with a manual box emerge in the future ... maybe a GT3 (but then there is the issue that it could be slower than the current PDK car) or maybe a new (Cayman) 'R'-like model
only time will tell...
If the GT4 is an indicator, we could see a 911 "GT" variant with a manual box emerge in the future ... maybe a GT3 (but then there is the issue that it could be slower than the current PDK car) or maybe a new (Cayman) 'R'-like model
only time will tell...
I also read that the gt cars will be getting a whole different motor someplace recently. If I come across it again. I will post it up.