No issues on my 2013 C4S manual. Are folks only noticing this with PDK?
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My Jan 2012 C2S has not had any hesitation problems from start. I think I can feel variations in response related to the torque curve when getting on it at various speeds, but it does not seem to be a PDK issue.
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Had my service done last week with May PDK software update installed. No change in anything noticeable. Service manager tried other 991S's with PDK and found they all have this issue.
The throttle/acceleration hesitation is a delay. Hit the throttle hard from a stop, jumps 100 rpm from idle, delay, then continues without issue. No throttle hesitation issue when not in gear. In Normal mode, idle is at 700. Hit throttle, it jumps to 800 rpm, delay, then keeps going. In Sport and Sport Plus, idles at 800. Hit throttle, it jumps to 900 rpm, delay, then keeps going. |
Originally Posted by CarManDSL
(Post 10642125)
Had my service done last week with May PDK software update installed. No change in anything noticeable. Service manager tried other 991S's with PDK and found they all have this issue.
The throttle/acceleration hesitation is a delay. Hit the throttle hard from a stop, jumps 100 rpm from idle, delay, then continues without issue. No throttle hesitation issue when not in gear. In Normal mode, idle is at 700. Hit throttle, it jumps to 800 rpm, delay, then keeps going. In Sport and Sport Plus, idles at 800. Hit throttle, it jumps to 900 rpm, delay, then keeps going. |
I am not certain this is a 'problem', but perhaps it is just the ECU pre-managing the potential wheel-spin issue when accelarating strongly in the lowest gear (as it doesn't happen in the higher ratios).
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Originally Posted by draxa
(Post 10644230)
I am not certain this is a 'problem', but perhaps it is just the ECU pre-managing the potential wheel-spin issue when accelarating strongly in the lowest gear (as it doesn't happen in the higher ratios).
Traction control on or off, no difference in any method of acceleration from a dead stop. If the ECU is "pre-managing" for about .25 seconds than it is thinking in Neanderthal mode. Something else is at play. |
We used to call this a "neutral drop" back in the say on automatics which was really hard on the transmission. Any reason to think it would be different on PDK?
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
(Post 10641423)
Maybe they fix it in the GT3 PDK-S
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when i was buying my car last summer, the PDK delay was the reason i went with a 7 speed MT. I had a deposit on a car with PDK with sport chrono, and the constant sensation of the car hesitating when i dropped the hammer drove me nuts. To me, it wasn't worth 5 k for the PDK if it hesitated, I can do that for free in my MT. However my wife's 2013 Audi S4 Stronic is a jackrabbit off the line in dynamic mode....
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I have a March 2013 C4S and have been annoyed by the hesitation from standstill. Major issue when I'm looking for a small gap in traffic in main road when I'm trying to join from side street - I need to leave a much bigger gap because of this hesitation!
Told my service manager and was told this is normal. |
Originally Posted by 10 GT3
(Post 10649633)
Not likely. Search the GT3 forum for the video of the pre-production car that they were driving it onto a trailer and it kept stalling. I have a feeling it is intentional for clutch longevity.
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Originally Posted by 10 GT3
(Post 10649633)
Not likely. Search the GT3 forum for the video of the pre-production car that they were driving it onto a trailer and it kept stalling. I have a feeling it is intentional for clutch longevity.
I have a 2012 S with sport plus, etc. It has the flat spot, it has throttle tip-in lag and from a standstill it has lurching and lag, but only with a closed throttle and very light throttle movements. If you just "accelerate" as in jumping into a gap in cross traffic, it shows no lag or hesitation. I've had the update and a couple of people drive it, including techs and the service manager, and friends who have other dual clutch cars. They all declare it "smooth, fine, nothing to notice" ... I think there's a level of expectation and I expect better, but people coming out of other dual clutch cars have different expectations or different "but dyno" calibration. I dunno. PDK is a long way from 100% developed, if you ask me. It's awesome on track and wide open in Super Duper Sport Double Plus You Betcha mode, but it's a clumsy oaf if you're in slow-n-go commute traffic or just rolling up to a stop light. I'm "conditioned" to just put it in N whenever it's likely to make a mistake. : ) Speaking of which, I wish Porsche didn't put the "idiot" lights (PRND) on the dash, it's just so crass. By all means, put up a numeral when a gear is selected manually, but otherwise ... seriously? |
Originally Posted by Carrera GT
(Post 10655036)
The GT3 PDK is structurally different. Different in the clutches and in the mechanisms. Also, the GT3 has two idle modes, one "free" (no creep) and one with "torque convertor" creep.
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Originally Posted by DKC64
(Post 10654893)
I have a March 2013 C4S and have been annoyed by the hesitation from standstill. Major issue when I'm looking for a small gap in traffic in main road when I'm trying to join from side street - I need to leave a much bigger gap because of this hesitation!
Told my service manager and was told this is normal. |
Originally Posted by 911sanantone
(Post 10640843)
I would really appreciate it if 991 PDK owners would reply to this thread and comment on whether or not they have or are experiencing this. This would help folks like me who are still considering which tranny to go with and if this is issue is more pervasive, it may help push Porsche to address in a more timely fashion.
Thanks.... I suspect that if you were to take it into the dealer for a fix, the response would be "they all do that". |
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