Pzkw993

For sure. I'm coaching at Summit a few times this summer.

Hey! That's the RS! But I have some concerns with the ZR1 time... it was a full-cage car and I wouldn't necessarily trust GM to play fair with the boost. My experience in the GT2, ZR1, and recent Vipers leads me to believe that the Viper ACR is really the fastest one, particularly on any track without mile-long effective straights.

Of course, it's possible to pump that old GT2 engine up:

http://www.speedsportlife.com/2009/0...er-the-dragon/

THAT was a bad-*** car and if I had $200K to shop I'd do one just like it, with real tires in a proper width on it.

jumper5836

It wasn't a GT2 is was the GT2 RS which ran the same lap times as a GT-R

The ZR1 smokes the 991 and the GT2 and better yet The ACR smokes them all for less money then a 991 S.

holminator

Summit Point. Cool. See you then and watch out for those deer up there.

holminator

The problem with the ZR1 is that is has critical build quality and design issues (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...on-issues.html) that make our 991s look golden, for example brakes--one of the top three most important components of any sports car for me. I didn't buy the 991 for a street drag race and I have no intention of ever do such a race. It's for idiots with no regard for the safety of others.

Pzkw993

In this case, Chevrolet's just copying Porsche... for years the acronym "PCCBs" rarely appeared on the internet without the succeeding phrase "cracked at my last trackday".

When I saw the spec sheet of our tester 991 I was nonplussed that they'd stuck us with PCCBs. Give me steel brakes every day of the week. I understand them and the costs are lower.

MayorAdamWest

I don't see anything that convinces me this isn't just a setup against the 991. Saying that comparing a corvette and 991 isn't right completely ignores 40 years of automotive history. The corvette used to be much smaller too. The point is, the 991 was setup to lose. The proper competitor to the Lotus would be the 981, which is a far more refined vehicle than the evora.

Pzkw993

We had a 981 at CMP with the other two cars. (There's a short take of it in the same issue.)

The Evora whipped it bad. It wasn't even close. The gap between the Boxster and Evora on-track was bigger between the gap between the Evora and the 991S.

MayorAdamWest

Again, proving everyone's point that you're just being a grumpy stick in the mud, and had already made up your mind before even stepping one foot in the car.

holminator

How's the Evora against the Miata on the track? Just saying. If we are going to focus on one or two attributes, let's take it all the way and get really ridiculous. Oh wait, we're all ready there. lol

The Miata is one hell of a track and autocross car though and cheap!

Pzkw993

Read the article. I discussed the fact that these PCCBs surpassed my expectations.

chuckbdc

Those are some ugly 997s. Or were you talking about the one labled "Johns"?

clutchplate

The only car I've owned during the past few years that had the "soul" of my early Porsches was my Lotus Elise. It slowly dawned on me however, that I really don't want a daily, long term commitment with something that has the feel of a car from the 1970's, soul or not.

There's a difference between the car I want to drive and the car I want to own. I have nothing against Lotus, in fact I love them, but for long term ownership a Porsche has significantly more to offer.

holminator

BTW, with regard to the picture, "drifting" is not efficient for track or on the real-world streets. It's something for showing off that inexperience drivers favor and replicate with Mustangs etc. Might as well do some donuts in the parking lot next. Same thing. It's better for the movies, like in those scenes where the hero runs while shooting a guy dead at 25 yards with a pistol and gets the victim in the chest and head. I wish all the car magazines and TV shows would stop doing it. It's getting old and doesn't impress experienced drivers buying a 911 for true instinctive driving.

You might be an SCCA guy. You know better and you know how to take a car to the limits without such an inefficient move unless the goal is to crash or run off the road.

chuckbdc

Re perceived size
- I was parked next to a wide body 993 2CS last Saturday. I and every one around did a double take- that thing looked as wide as the 991 in the rear - the flares are downright heroic on the early narrow at the doors body.

- The Panamera is way wider- its just with that hatch staring you in the face your eyes never drift around the corner! The 991 center console: apart from offering more leg room than the stub shift lever console in a 997, it will never look wide or blingy again after you drive a Panamera.

Re actual size- which is "bigger depends on what you measure:

Porsche 991 L 176.8 W 71.1
Vette 2012 L 174.6 W 72.6
Viper 2013 L 175 W 76

holminator

Yeah Chuck, they took the bait I threw them on the size thing, but we both know the facts are not acceptable to them. There's some crazy jealousy out there over the 991 among non-owners, more than when the 997 came out. It's faninating to watch the train wreck for sure. At least we had another laugh at their expense. You coming to the Tyson's Ladies and Caberet tomorrow night at Porsche?

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