Porsche 991 Carrera 3.4 PDK 350 hp Nürburgring
10-05-2012, 09:49 PM
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Great stuff Dag- for me if not all the vicarious Ringmasters here! Great driving- loved the reaction to the blue Panamera that seemed surprised you were passing!
I have an S with the same suspension you do and just knew it was the perfect setup. What tires and how do that and brakes hold up to your lapping?
I have an S with the same suspension you do and just knew it was the perfect setup. What tires and how do that and brakes hold up to your lapping?
10-05-2012, 10:42 PM
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BTG lap, possible to measure for normal people during tourist driving. (long straight is then closed)
Full lap, hardly used at all. 20832 meters
Sport Auto lap, the standard used by Porsche, Nissan, Chevrolet and Sport Auto Magazine.
8 minutes full lap = 7.54 Sport Auto lap
6 seconds shorter because you dont measure the short straight passing the old pit area.
BTG is appr. 25 seconds shorter than full lap, 19 seconds shorter than Sport Auto lap.
7.54 Sport Auto lap = 7.35 BTG
BTG=Bridge to gauntry. You start the clock under the bridge at the end of the straight, stops it under a big sign (gauntry) at the beginning of the straight.
BUT, when Porsche or Sport Auto do their tests they fly pass the bridge doing 250-270. As a tourist you have around 170-190 there, so at least 3 second advantage for the pros.
I did a 7.46.
Traffic around 10 seconds penalty (may look like 3 to you, but its not)
So 7.36 plus 19 = 7.55
A pro driver would easily beat me 10-15 seconds. Pro driver Marco Seefried took my car for a lap, I took of 4 seconds after learning some tricks :-) Could probably take a couple more easily. Having a passanger as I had may also slow me down.
So between 7.40-7.45 would be the base Carrera time, pro driver and clear track, standard Pirelli tires. Thats not much slower than the S. It is kind of confirmed by the 1.15 seconds time difference at Balacco, almost 3 minutes long track. (S vs base Carrera tested by Italian Magazine Auto)
After 5 hours full speed at the autobahn racing an S and a Ferrari California, three cars seemed equal in speed.
The S is faster and stronger, but be aware +50 horsepower is not much.
In Norway the price difference between base and S when fully speced is 30.000 USD, so base for me. In other countries its a lot less, so Carrera S :-)
The base Carrera has a harder more racy sound inside the cabin actually.
Test both if you wonder what you want.
PDCC, my friend has it and it SUCKS at the Ring. Car is twithing, Porsche test drivers confirm this. Stay away from it is my advice. My friend is selling his S and buying one with SPASM, like I have. It works incredibly good. The poor bastard also have a GT2RS, did a 7.16,9 lap same day as my 7.46.
Dag
Full lap, hardly used at all. 20832 meters
Sport Auto lap, the standard used by Porsche, Nissan, Chevrolet and Sport Auto Magazine.
8 minutes full lap = 7.54 Sport Auto lap
6 seconds shorter because you dont measure the short straight passing the old pit area.
BTG is appr. 25 seconds shorter than full lap, 19 seconds shorter than Sport Auto lap.
7.54 Sport Auto lap = 7.35 BTG
BTG=Bridge to gauntry. You start the clock under the bridge at the end of the straight, stops it under a big sign (gauntry) at the beginning of the straight.
BUT, when Porsche or Sport Auto do their tests they fly pass the bridge doing 250-270. As a tourist you have around 170-190 there, so at least 3 second advantage for the pros.
I did a 7.46.
Traffic around 10 seconds penalty (may look like 3 to you, but its not)
So 7.36 plus 19 = 7.55
A pro driver would easily beat me 10-15 seconds. Pro driver Marco Seefried took my car for a lap, I took of 4 seconds after learning some tricks :-) Could probably take a couple more easily. Having a passanger as I had may also slow me down.
So between 7.40-7.45 would be the base Carrera time, pro driver and clear track, standard Pirelli tires. Thats not much slower than the S. It is kind of confirmed by the 1.15 seconds time difference at Balacco, almost 3 minutes long track. (S vs base Carrera tested by Italian Magazine Auto)
After 5 hours full speed at the autobahn racing an S and a Ferrari California, three cars seemed equal in speed.
The S is faster and stronger, but be aware +50 horsepower is not much.
In Norway the price difference between base and S when fully speced is 30.000 USD, so base for me. In other countries its a lot less, so Carrera S :-)
The base Carrera has a harder more racy sound inside the cabin actually.
Test both if you wonder what you want.
PDCC, my friend has it and it SUCKS at the Ring. Car is twithing, Porsche test drivers confirm this. Stay away from it is my advice. My friend is selling his S and buying one with SPASM, like I have. It works incredibly good. The poor bastard also have a GT2RS, did a 7.16,9 lap same day as my 7.46.
Dag
10-06-2012, 06:17 AM
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Im using standard Pirelli P-Zero tires. 20" Classic rims. Really like those tires, think they are really good but of course Cup tires or semi cup maybe faster.
Changing brake pads after 8000 kilometers and 2 weekends at the Nürburgring.
Dag :-)
Changing brake pads after 8000 kilometers and 2 weekends at the Nürburgring.
Dag :-)
10-06-2012, 06:19 AM
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how do you think P-Zeros would compare with Pilot Super Sport?
10-06-2012, 09:44 AM
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I simply chose 20" because I know the 991 was developed with/for 20" wheels, it is standard on the S. That is the reason for my choice, 19" will for sure be more comfortable if that is your focus. I think the car is plenty comfortable with Sport suspention and 20" tires, and at the Ring it works incredibly good in the stiffest setting, just feels perfect.
If road driving is the focus, 19" is probably perfect choice.
If I buy winter tires, it will be 19"
If road driving is the focus, 19" is probably perfect choice.
If I buy winter tires, it will be 19"
10-06-2012, 11:47 AM
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I didn't like the Zero's much at all -- they are too sensitive to heat on track, they chunked and died in a matter of few hours. I went to Sport Cups until the PSS is available in sizes to suit. 20" wheels are still not needed on a 911 in my humble, the 19 on the 997 RS 3.8 is only necessary to clear the brakes available today, at least it has some tire selection for various driving.
Why on Earth can't any tire maker produce an RA1 equivalent in a 20 with 911 fitment?
Why on Earth can't any tire maker produce an RA1 equivalent in a 20 with 911 fitment?
10-09-2012, 05:53 AM
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I didn't like the Zero's much at all -- they are too sensitive to heat on track, they chunked and died in a matter of few hours. I went to Sport Cups until the PSS is available in sizes to suit. 20" wheels are still not needed on a 911 in my humble, the 19 on the 997 RS 3.8 is only necessary to clear the brakes available today, at least it has some tire selection for various driving.
Why on Earth can't any tire maker produce an RA1 equivalent in a 20 with 911 fitment?
Why on Earth can't any tire maker produce an RA1 equivalent in a 20 with 911 fitment?
Hello Carrera GT,
regarding Pirelli P Zero, I never had any problems cooking the tires but never drove more than 16 minutes in one stint. (2 laps) I must say they performed flawlessly with tons of grip and very good turn in. I read that P Zero is almost a hidden cup tire and that wet performance is not so good. Even on my brothers Panamera Turbo with 4 fat guys inside, the same tires just gripped and gripped, never overheated, very impressive! With his previous 997T we had overheating a lot, PS2 tires included.
So the Pirelli P Zero seems good to me, also noise levels are low.
Dag :-)