ManhattanSpin

OK. I am going to go back to them with the money factor at .002 and I would like to double check those residuals. Going to try and try and get it to at least 8% off MSRP too!

If anyone knows what 2 year and 3 year residuals are for 7.5k miles in the 991S...please let me know!

Carrera GT

44% 51% 58%
5 4 3 year terms
10 K miles
That's the only numbers I have handy.

ManhattanSpin

Thank you! I imagine that 7.5k miles is one or two more residual points and 2 years is at least 2 more.

Palden

ManhattanSpin, did you end of leasing a 991 and if so what kind of numbers did you get for your lease? I recently have been quoted a 59% residual and 0.0024 money factor for a 2012 991 CS for a 36 month, 10k/yr lease.

FORENN

^^This. If you don't live on the east coast, or in CA or TX, you may run into this problem. The NW is a perfect example. Any deal you find by shopping around the nation will suddenly disappear (or at least look far less appealing) after shipping is added.

rnl

got 6% off of sticker and paid cost for full leather interior.

Carrera GT

Coast to coast enclosed freight should be $2K, not $3K.
Nearest discounting dealers that will beat Rusnak are in Bay Area.
You might also try Downtown LA.
If you order a new car, you can have it "courtesy" delivered at your local dealer either free or cheaper than freight (the vehicle is redirected at the port.)

pdxjim

I purchased an east coast truck and it was $1300 to have it shipped to central Oregon.

skinzy

This may seem like a dumb question but why would someone lease a Porsche. Is that not a significantly more expensive approach than buying?

FORENN

I guess it depends on the type of transport, and perhaps I have not been looking in the right places. I almost bought a GTS and was going to ship it from KY to ID. My shipping options for enclosed, direct, insured transport ranged between 3k and 4k ... which, as you can imagine, made the deal seem a little less sweet.

clutchplate

I just worked the numbers as I usually prefer to buy, but my recent order will be around $5K less expensive to lease over three years. In California with sales tax at 8.25%, you only pay tax on 42% of the sales price. That's partially offset by the acquisition fee, but you still come out ahead. The big difference though is the loss of use of the money that will be trapped in a depreciating asset. That will also be offset if the dealer charges an above market money factor, but that can (and should) be negotiated. I haven't decided whether to buy or lease as my car won't be here for a few months, but the numbers make more sense for a lease.

Carrera GT

If you have the flexibility, ordering with a coordinated, pre-condition agreed "courtesy" delivery will work. Otherwise, check prices at somewhere like my preferred dealer, Fletcher Jones, with a much shorter delivery distance.

For enclosed road freight, there are discount aggregators, I found one here on Rennlist, so if you search posts since Jan 2010, you'll find references to various sites that offer to bid for business, insured "white glove" ...

I'll also mention that you must be excruciatingly "caveat emptor" with purchasing from Porsche dealers these days. Cars are getting damaged and repaired, then PCNA calls it all good and a "new" car. Road freight transports aren't used to the low-slung, long wheelbase cars, so you must (must!) inspect the underbody for scrapes, etc. Be wary of any vehicle delayed at its US port of entry -- that's where damaged cars get "inspected" (ie. repaired.) If a car lingers at port, it might be nothing more than logistics and road freight, but it might be a damaged car being inspected. It's sickening, but there it is.

FORENN

Wow, very helpful -- thank you.

skinzy

I've never leased so don't know the details well but have done a financial calc which always seems to be significantly more costly. You do get to drive a newer car but take 2 huge drive off lot depreciations. I looked at a lease over 8 year period with assumptions about salvage value and opportunity costs. (i.e. two 4 year leases vs buy car hold 8 yrs)

911 Crazy

Wow, great thread!