BRILLIANT MOTORTREND 991 REVIEW AND COMPARISON!!!
02-22-2012, 04:41 PM
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Sure, and what one person sees as merely a "trade off", another finds to be an intolerable fault. This issue will never be resolved as so much of it depends on subjective preference. On the street, the performance arguments are largely irrelevant as no Porsche or Corvette can be used to anywhere near it's potential. So is a potential second or two on the race track and a lower price worth putting up with relatively inferior workmanship and less all around, every day liveability and in some situations, capability? Each person has to answer that for themselves and then vote with their wallet.
As to your PS, I suspect that cuts both ways. If the MT test had the Grand Sport blowing away the 991, or even being in the same ballpark, there would have been plenty of crowing from the Corvette crowd.
As to your PS, I suspect that cuts both ways. If the MT test had the Grand Sport blowing away the 991, or even being in the same ballpark, there would have been plenty of crowing from the Corvette crowd.
I'm sure the corvette folks are up in arms right now, just as the reverse would be true had the results come up differently.
02-22-2012, 04:53 PM
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I don't really understand the point of comparing Corvettes to Porsches. They are different things for people with different tastes and priorities. Personally, however, I am interested in a Porsche product, but have zero interest in a Corvette. If people want to cross shop them that is great, but I would imagine the cross-section between the two buyer groups is rather small.
They can enjoy their Vettes, and we'll enjoy our 911s. It's great to have the choice, and it doesn't really matter what a magazine writer's opinion is.
The fact that the 911, despite its much higher pricing, has found enthusiastic, discerning buyers for almost 50 years now (and dominated international class racing for just as long) must mean that it is delivering value and performance. All from a lil' ol' 6-banger.
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02-22-2012, 05:24 PM
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02-23-2012, 01:54 PM
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Hmmm, a Z06 is a pretty fun car to drive. I have access to one I rarely drive mostly because I have a bunch of other stuff including a 991 to drive. However lovely our German iron is to drive, the Corvette is probably a better "value". This is the Porsche forum so I suspect it is a little biased. A Corvette is a different approach.
02-23-2012, 05:02 PM
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Hmmm, a Z06 is a pretty fun car to drive. I have access to one I rarely drive mostly because I have a bunch of other stuff including a 991 to drive. However lovely our German iron is to drive, the Corvette is probably a better "value". This is the Porsche forum so I suspect it is a little biased. A Corvette is a different approach.
I didn't buy a 911 purely for performance...it's far from the fastest car I've driven nor is it particularly exhilarating in that regard. It is, however, a slick bit of engineering and rewarding to drive and given the inherent robustness and quality I consider it better all-round value.
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02-24-2012, 10:39 AM
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I don't think the Corvette is a better value. You get a lot for your money but I feel that you get more for your money with a Carrera. Though the performance of the Corvette is as good or better than just about anything on the road there are innumerable details and intangibles where it is lacking. The performance alone does not make it a good value (a better performance value perhaps).
I didn't buy a 911 purely for performance...it's far from the fastest car I've driven nor is it particularly exhilarating in that regard. It is, however, a slick bit of engineering and rewarding to drive and given the inherent robustness and quality I consider it better all-round value.
I didn't buy a 911 purely for performance...it's far from the fastest car I've driven nor is it particularly exhilarating in that regard. It is, however, a slick bit of engineering and rewarding to drive and given the inherent robustness and quality I consider it better all-round value.
02-24-2012, 03:02 PM
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I have absolutely nothing against GM. I hope they do well. It's an American manufacturing company that employs American workers, most all of whom pay taxes. Anyone who thinks that our country and economy would have been better off if GM and Chrysler and all the associated supplier jobs had been allowed to go down the tubes, or been chopped up in bankruptcy court and sold to the highest foreign bidders, is way off base.
Somehow economics works totally different in NorCal I guess.
02-24-2012, 03:46 PM
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Sorry to all for the OT reply.
02-24-2012, 04:44 PM
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Silly analogy. Dozens of airlines including Pan Am and TWA have disappeared in bancrupty over the last 20 years. But that's not even the main point. It was the timing. Having 2/3 of the US auto industry, and millions of jobs be at risk in the middle of the biggest economic crises since the GD would have been catastrophic, economically and psychologically for the markets. GM just posted the largest profit in their history and moved back to #1 in the world. The loans are being paid back and the stock is going up. Hard to swallow success when one has predicted failure.
Sorry to all for the OT reply.
Sorry to all for the OT reply.
I am very happy that the American car manufacturers are getting back on their feet. And I think a lot of other people that buy or don't buy their products are happy.
But that doesn't change what was stated in the MT article,that compared to a Porsche,Corvette is still far far away behind.
02-24-2012, 05:22 PM
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Why hard to swallow?
I am very happy that the American car manufacturers are getting back on their feet. And I think a lot of other people that buy or don't buy their products are happy.
But that doesn't change what was stated in the MT article,that compared to a Porsche,Corvette is still far far away behind.
I am very happy that the American car manufacturers are getting back on their feet. And I think a lot of other people that buy or don't buy their products are happy.
But that doesn't change what was stated in the MT article,that compared to a Porsche,Corvette is still far far away behind.
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02-24-2012, 10:45 PM
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I also consider a bespoke suit good value because it makes me feel good. At 1/10th the cost I don't consider a $300 designer shirt good value because it doesn't satisfy me in the same way.
Years ago I was at a marketing presentation and Rolls-Royce was explaining that for many of its customers a Phantom had to represent both an intelligent purchase and good value within their peer group. Interesting.
02-25-2012, 03:12 AM
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I don't think the Corvette is a better value. You get a lot for your money but I feel that you get more for your money with a Carrera. Though the performance of the Corvette is as good or better than just about anything on the road there are innumerable details and intangibles where it is lacking. The performance alone does not make it a good value (a better performance value perhaps).
I didn't buy a 911 purely for performance...it's far from the fastest car I've driven nor is it particularly exhilarating in that regard. It is, however, a slick bit of engineering and rewarding to drive and given the inherent robustness and quality I consider it better all-round value.
I didn't buy a 911 purely for performance...it's far from the fastest car I've driven nor is it particularly exhilarating in that regard. It is, however, a slick bit of engineering and rewarding to drive and given the inherent robustness and quality I consider it better all-round value.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of success while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." All you are doing is cheerleading the latter. You are cheerleading saving one industry at the cost of grandmothers on fixed incomes no longer being able to afford food because you aren't making the proper economic connections, but that's the way the system was designed, so not 1/100 men would understand it.
As Henry Ford said, "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." And anyone who thinks what was done to bail out the auto industry instead of allowing malinvestment to clear out simply doesn't get it.
I support capitalism and real capitalism only, not corporatism and cronyism like we have today. I will never in a million years buy a Government Motors product no matter how good it is and no matter what price it is on sheer principle along. So in the end, it really doesn't matter how good the Corvette is, but I guess it's as good as a government can build a sportscar.
02-25-2012, 01:20 PM
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No one is having a hard time explaining anything. Real inflation, when food and fuel are included, is skyrocketing due to massive currency expansion. Party line hack libs and conservatives and innumerates alike look around and see gas prices rising. They don't realize they aren't. Instead, the dollar is declining. Thinking you can escape economic reality through QE is the most evil of all taxes, and you have fallen for it.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of success while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." All you are doing is cheerleading the latter. You are cheerleading saving one industry at the cost of grandmothers on fixed incomes no longer being able to afford food because you aren't making the proper economic connections, but that's the way the system was designed, so not 1/100 men would understand it.
As Henry Ford said, "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." And anyone who thinks what was done to bail out the auto industry instead of allowing malinvestment to clear out simply doesn't get it.
I support capitalism and real capitalism only, not corporatism and cronyism like we have today. I will never in a million years buy a Government Motors product no matter how good it is and no matter what price it is on sheer principle along. So in the end, it really doesn't matter how good the Corvette is, but I guess it's as good as a government can build a sportscar.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of success while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." All you are doing is cheerleading the latter. You are cheerleading saving one industry at the cost of grandmothers on fixed incomes no longer being able to afford food because you aren't making the proper economic connections, but that's the way the system was designed, so not 1/100 men would understand it.
As Henry Ford said, "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." And anyone who thinks what was done to bail out the auto industry instead of allowing malinvestment to clear out simply doesn't get it.
I support capitalism and real capitalism only, not corporatism and cronyism like we have today. I will never in a million years buy a Government Motors product no matter how good it is and no matter what price it is on sheer principle along. So in the end, it really doesn't matter how good the Corvette is, but I guess it's as good as a government can build a sportscar.
