PDCC: yes or no?
Drifting
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BTW, what does not for the 911 owner even mean?? there is no wrong 911 and certainly PDCC does not detract from the classic rear engine design. why wouldn't anyone want less body roll?
the only reason(s) not to get PDCC, imo, would be initial cost and/or speculated repairs out of warranty (which could include any part of a new 911).
To PDK or not is subjective. PDCC, not so much; just a matter if it has value to the buyer for that buyer's intended use.
Electric steering.. well that's another story.
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Racer
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I remember hearing the same thing when the tiptronic first came out.
It means its another technological crutch that gets between the driver and road. Its also another thing to go wrong and will cost a fortune to diagnose after your warranty expires. How much more techno crap do you need infused into a already legendary car. Turn off the electric crap and just drive and enjoy.
Keep It Simple Stupid applies here. The 911 doesnt need anything else. Let the Benz guys have that crap.
Keep It Simple Stupid applies here. The 911 doesnt need anything else. Let the Benz guys have that crap.
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the cost of repair down the road would be my concern. Then again, i recall when i was a kid my Dad refused to buy a TV w/ a remote control thinking it would break so guess who had to get up to change the channel?
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I remember hearing the same thing when the tiptronic first came out.
It means its another technological crutch that gets between the driver and road. Its also another thing to go wrong and will cost a fortune to diagnose after your warranty expires. How much more techno crap do you need infused into a already legendary car. Turn off the electric crap and just drive and enjoy.
Keep It Simple Stupid applies here. The 911 doesnt need anything else. Let the Benz guys have that crap.
It means its another technological crutch that gets between the driver and road. Its also another thing to go wrong and will cost a fortune to diagnose after your warranty expires. How much more techno crap do you need infused into a already legendary car. Turn off the electric crap and just drive and enjoy.
Keep It Simple Stupid applies here. The 911 doesnt need anything else. Let the Benz guys have that crap.
Drifting
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From: Atlanta
I remember hearing the same thing when the tiptronic first came out.
It means its another technological crutch that gets between the driver and road. Its also another thing to go wrong and will cost a fortune to diagnose after your warranty expires. How much more techno crap do you need infused into a already legendary car. Turn off the electric crap and just drive and enjoy.
Keep It Simple Stupid applies here. The 911 doesnt need anything else. Let the Benz guys have that crap.
It means its another technological crutch that gets between the driver and road. Its also another thing to go wrong and will cost a fortune to diagnose after your warranty expires. How much more techno crap do you need infused into a already legendary car. Turn off the electric crap and just drive and enjoy.
Keep It Simple Stupid applies here. The 911 doesnt need anything else. Let the Benz guys have that crap.
anyway, crutch nothing. and, what does that ridiculous auto box aka tip-tronic have to do with anything? how can an item which lends to better handling be a crutch? so, coil overs or the like, if one chose, would basically meet your crutch criteria?
i am curious where is the line drawn and define when a 911 "doesn't need anything else" as you say? The 997S, 997, 996, 993, 964?
Last edited by 911dev; Dec 21, 2011 at 04:12 PM.
Drifting
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so would direct injection, DEM, PDK, VANOS, SC Plus, electric steering, etc..
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I think you are over thinking this. Last time I checked, Coil overs are not electric and does not require a piece of diagnostic gear to fix. Can you fix it in your garage with a set of hand tools?? Its all about how well this new technology ages and what will its maintenance be??? I can tell you its not gonna be pretty when one of these "improvements" craps the bed.
Its not that long ago but, look at a aircooled 911 manual. A large part of the manual gives you information to service/ fix the car with basic hand tools. This has always been one of the 911's most redeeming qualities of its peers and a corner stone belief of the Porsche empire. Not so any more, its only getting worse. The 911 owner is now at the mercy of the dealer and a huge repair bill that follows. I know Porsche has to come up with new features, but at what cost does 1/100 of a second improvement equate to reliability and maintenance cost?? What you are probably calling "progress" I am calling a electronic bastardization of the 911.
Its not that long ago but, look at a aircooled 911 manual. A large part of the manual gives you information to service/ fix the car with basic hand tools. This has always been one of the 911's most redeeming qualities of its peers and a corner stone belief of the Porsche empire. Not so any more, its only getting worse. The 911 owner is now at the mercy of the dealer and a huge repair bill that follows. I know Porsche has to come up with new features, but at what cost does 1/100 of a second improvement equate to reliability and maintenance cost?? What you are probably calling "progress" I am calling a electronic bastardization of the 911.
where and how does "stupid" apply in your K.I.S.S. acronym?
anyway, crutch nothing. and, what does that ridiculous auto box aka tip-tronic have to do with anything? how can an item which lends to better handling be a crutch? so, coil overs or the like, if one chose, would basically meet your crutch criteria?
anyway, crutch nothing. and, what does that ridiculous auto box aka tip-tronic have to do with anything? how can an item which lends to better handling be a crutch? so, coil overs or the like, if one chose, would basically meet your crutch criteria?
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I think you are over thinking this. Last time I checked, Coil overs are not electric and does not require a piece of diagnostic gear for fix. Its all about how well this new technology ages and what will its maintenance be??? I can tell you its not gonna be pretty when one of these "improvements" craps the bed.
Its not that long ago but, look at a aircooled 911 manual. A large part of the manual gives you information to service/ fix the car. This has always been one of the 911's most redeeming qualities of its peers and a corner stone belief of the Porsche empire. Not so any more, its only getting worse. The 911 owner is now at the mercy of the dealer and a huge repair bill that follows. I know Porsche has to come up with new features, but at what cost does 1/100 of a second improvement equate to reliability and maintenance cost??
Its not that long ago but, look at a aircooled 911 manual. A large part of the manual gives you information to service/ fix the car. This has always been one of the 911's most redeeming qualities of its peers and a corner stone belief of the Porsche empire. Not so any more, its only getting worse. The 911 owner is now at the mercy of the dealer and a huge repair bill that follows. I know Porsche has to come up with new features, but at what cost does 1/100 of a second improvement equate to reliability and maintenance cost??
Drifting
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^^ valid concerns for certain mystro.
I just love contemporary 911s. I do like them more raw as in the (my) .2 gt3, but love what the 991 is capable of; until hit with an expensive repair bill out of warranty of course.
I just love contemporary 911s. I do like them more raw as in the (my) .2 gt3, but love what the 991 is capable of; until hit with an expensive repair bill out of warranty of course.