Porsche 991 Press Release In German
08-24-2011, 02:24 AM
#31
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They officially killed the 911 interior design. No resemblance now with the huge center console.
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08-24-2011, 07:34 AM
#34
To me there's something wrong with the front lights and the rear end too. Not too crazy about the badge.......and I don't like the interior!
Face it...we're stuck! What's the other choice? I'm sure the engine and performance are wonderful....no compettition as far as I can see.
Tom
Face it...we're stuck! What's the other choice? I'm sure the engine and performance are wonderful....no compettition as far as I can see.
Tom
08-24-2011, 10:05 AM
#35
Race Director
They are bigger, slightly more practical, have much improved hvac systems, bunch more gadgetry, more comfortable, etc.
I know many will take offense to this, but to drive a pre-964 911 is not always comfortable. If you're hardcore, you can use it as a daily driver, but most use them as occasional cars for sporting driving only.
the newer cars are as easy to drive as a camry.
08-24-2011, 12:11 PM
#36
Race Director
Anyone notice how the head light washers are not aligned with anything and the driving lights look cut off at the corner
08-24-2011, 07:55 PM
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Whats the usual mid life refresh time frame? 3/3.5 years? Maybe they will key in on some of the things the crowds will provide feedback on...
08-24-2011, 11:10 PM
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08-25-2011, 01:15 AM
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The press release stipulates that the inspiration for the upsloping center console was the Carrera GT's interior. The idea is to have the shifter and steering wheel as close together as possible. However as we all know the Carrera GT is not a "real sports car." Not to mention the fact that the Carrera GT has a wooden shift **** and no one driving a "sports car" would want the interior to look like a yacht, would they? [/sarcasm off]
I think that the interior is a great improvement. I also like everything on the outside with the exception of the overly busy script on the back. I'm sure it can be factory deleted. I wish the tail lights were more like the 997.2 version but that's a small objection in the grand scale of things. It promises to be faster, better handling and more fuel efficient than the previous version.
I think that the interior is a great improvement. I also like everything on the outside with the exception of the overly busy script on the back. I'm sure it can be factory deleted. I wish the tail lights were more like the 997.2 version but that's a small objection in the grand scale of things. It promises to be faster, better handling and more fuel efficient than the previous version.
08-26-2011, 12:23 PM
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11-10-2011, 10:23 AM
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11-15-2011, 02:20 PM
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Great Changes on an Iconic Sports Car
Party is indeed over. It'a not that the interior is not good, (in fact it is stunning) it just belongs in a luxury sport sedan or a sport SUV and not in an timeless and iconic sports car. The PDCC and PTV will be a great addition but not so much the noise and thermal insulated glass, Burmester, (the usual cash cows for Porsche) which again transforms it to a GT. The rear overhang is certainly there but is not very noticeable.
But I pressed on with the test drive, having always wanted to drive a 911. The car was surprisingly noisy on the highway, reminding me of an economy car, and engine sound at full throttled was shrill; the sound literally hurt my ears and sounded metallic on the inside of this coupe. It sounded as if there was little or no insulation in the car, which I would completely understand in the all-out GT3 but not in a base 911 coupe. The noise, vibration and harshness might have been acceptable if the car had wrapped around me like a glove and drove beautifully, but it didn't. The car bobbed up and down the highway at 65 mph like a speedboat in choppy waters. I didn't WANT to go any faster because it didn't feel right to me: the suspension was far too soft and unsorted for my tastes. I asked the salesman whether the car came with a sport suspension and he said no, that's only in Europe. Again, I was in disbelief. The steering was laser sharp and linear, but because the car bounced around so much, I never felt confident in finding a line. The car was also very quick and responsive. No complaints there.
The refinements rolled out this year are exciting and right up my alley. Sorry, but I don't want to drive a pure race car on the streets day-to-day, and isn't the 911 mission to provide a day-to-day car that you can track on the weekend if you so choose? I wasn't even born when the 911 first arrived on the scene so nostalgia doesn't mean anything to me on this car. For my $100,000, I want sound insulated glass, a high-end stereo, balance and sophistication. Moving the engine over the rear axle was a good decision even though the 911 began its rein as basically a converted VW bug. If Porsche moved the engine a little forward of the rear axle, even better in my book. I don't want something pure and original to the point of crude. Don't get me wrong; I don't mean to be harsh. I respect the 997 and its capabilities in the hands of a professional, but even though I'm an excellent driver, I'm no Al Holbert. Nor do I want to be. I have businesses to run and many other interests besides driving.
I've never read a single car magazine point out these 911 flaws as I've laid them out, but kudos to Porsche for recognizing that it was time to bring the 911 into the 21st century. Can't wait to drive the new 991 in two years when I'm in the market for an all-wheel drive cab!
11-15-2011, 03:26 PM
#45
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When the 997 first hit Porsche showrooms, I rushed out to drive one and came away with a strong impression: this car does not feel right to me. It was a huge disappointment, so I bought a BMW. Porsche engineers, having heard complaints from purists that the 996 was too refined and had lost its raw sports car appeal, dialed in massive amounts of rumble, shake and vibration as if to say "there, is THAT what you wanted?" Stepping into a modern 911 for the first time, I was flabbergasted. A sophisticated German sports car with a price approaching $100,000 and it feels like a 1970 muscle car at idle? After decades of 911 progress, this is the result?
But I pressed on with the test drive, having always wanted to drive a 911. The car was surprisingly noisy on the highway, reminding me of an economy car, and engine sound at full throttled was shrill; the sound literally hurt my ears and sounded metallic on the inside of this coupe. It sounded as if there was little or no insulation in the car, which I would completely understand in the all-out GT3 but not in a base 911 coupe. The noise, vibration and harshness might have been acceptable if the car had wrapped around me like a glove and drove beautifully, but it didn't. The car bobbed up and down the highway at 65 mph like a speedboat in choppy waters. I didn't WANT to go any faster because it didn't feel right to me: the suspension was far too soft and unsorted for my tastes. I asked the salesman whether the car came with a sport suspension and he said no, that's only in Europe. Again, I was in disbelief. The steering was laser sharp and linear, but because the car bounced around so much, I never felt confident in finding a line. The car was also very quick and responsive. No complaints there.
The refinements rolled out this year are exciting and right up my alley. Sorry, but I don't want to drive a pure race car on the streets day-to-day, and isn't the 911 mission to provide a day-to-day car that you can track on the weekend if you so choose? I wasn't even born when the 911 first arrived on the scene so nostalgia doesn't mean anything to me on this car. For my $100,000, I want sound insulated glass, a high-end stereo, balance and sophistication. Moving the engine over the rear axle was a good decision even though the 911 began its rein as basically a converted VW bug. If Porsche moved the engine a little forward of the rear axle, even better in my book. I don't want something pure and original to the point of crude. Don't get me wrong; I don't mean to be harsh. I respect the 997 and its capabilities in the hands of a professional, but even though I'm an excellent driver, I'm no Al Holbert. Nor do I want to be. I have businesses to run and many other interests besides driving.
I've never read a single car magazine point out these 911 flaws as I've laid them out, but kudos to Porsche for recognizing that it was time to bring the 911 into the 21st century. Can't wait to drive the new 991 in two years when I'm in the market for an all-wheel drive cab!
But I pressed on with the test drive, having always wanted to drive a 911. The car was surprisingly noisy on the highway, reminding me of an economy car, and engine sound at full throttled was shrill; the sound literally hurt my ears and sounded metallic on the inside of this coupe. It sounded as if there was little or no insulation in the car, which I would completely understand in the all-out GT3 but not in a base 911 coupe. The noise, vibration and harshness might have been acceptable if the car had wrapped around me like a glove and drove beautifully, but it didn't. The car bobbed up and down the highway at 65 mph like a speedboat in choppy waters. I didn't WANT to go any faster because it didn't feel right to me: the suspension was far too soft and unsorted for my tastes. I asked the salesman whether the car came with a sport suspension and he said no, that's only in Europe. Again, I was in disbelief. The steering was laser sharp and linear, but because the car bounced around so much, I never felt confident in finding a line. The car was also very quick and responsive. No complaints there.
The refinements rolled out this year are exciting and right up my alley. Sorry, but I don't want to drive a pure race car on the streets day-to-day, and isn't the 911 mission to provide a day-to-day car that you can track on the weekend if you so choose? I wasn't even born when the 911 first arrived on the scene so nostalgia doesn't mean anything to me on this car. For my $100,000, I want sound insulated glass, a high-end stereo, balance and sophistication. Moving the engine over the rear axle was a good decision even though the 911 began its rein as basically a converted VW bug. If Porsche moved the engine a little forward of the rear axle, even better in my book. I don't want something pure and original to the point of crude. Don't get me wrong; I don't mean to be harsh. I respect the 997 and its capabilities in the hands of a professional, but even though I'm an excellent driver, I'm no Al Holbert. Nor do I want to be. I have businesses to run and many other interests besides driving.
I've never read a single car magazine point out these 911 flaws as I've laid them out, but kudos to Porsche for recognizing that it was time to bring the 911 into the 21st century. Can't wait to drive the new 991 in two years when I'm in the market for an all-wheel drive cab!
As I said... PAG knows its new customers, therefore the 991.
