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Old 08-08-2010, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ADias
They are just devaluing the designations. Customers will know better.
P-car people will know better. But some "average joe" customers are likely to walk into the showrooms next year and see a leftover 2011 Carrera S and the all new 2012 Carrera S and wonder what gives with the power loss.
Old 08-08-2010, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mspeedster
P-car people will know better. But some "average joe" customers are likely to walk into the showrooms next year and see a leftover 2011 Carrera S and the all new 2012 Carrera S and wonder what gives with the power loss.
What power loss?

They are getting 5 more hp from the base car and 15 more hp from the 3.8
Old 08-08-2010, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by machina
What power loss?

They are getting 5 more hp from the base car and 15 more hp from the 3.8
The power loss would be associated with the model designation "S" and "RS", not the engines.
Old 08-08-2010, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RF5BPilot
If this is so, the 2010-2011 cars are looking better and better....
Don't forget us 2009s!!!
Old 08-08-2010, 02:51 PM
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Wow. Quite a departure from past classics. The RS designation doesn't make any sense at all! I really think with this continous search for MPG improvements the 997 maybe the next 993. I really don't like the electro-hydrolic steering wheel. Will take away from thr feel.
Old 08-08-2010, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by alexb76
I really don't like the electro-hydrolic steering wheel. Will take away from thr feel.
Shouldn't change the feel. It will still be hydraulic assisted steering. Only difference is the power steering pump will be driven by an electric pump. Many race cars use this technology. The idea is to reduce parasitic drag on the motor to free up horsepower and increase mpg.




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Instead of all the new gizmos, I'd like to see a back to basics lightweight club sport version. I assume the new 3.4L engine is lighter than the current 3.6L. So start with that base version with a more traditional (non neo tech) sports car and make it even lighter. Or if they did that with the 3.8L, then at least it would be in spirit with what "RS" is suppose to mean.
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The 997.2 may well become the liquid cooled era's 993. We'll have to see.

fwiw, BMW put electric power steering in their new F10 5ers and people have complained that the car is now devoid of the original "ultimate driving machine" preciseness. The F10, while softer and cushier feeling, doesn't quite have the tactile feeling of the E60 steering and suspension.
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Originally Posted by RollingArt
Shouldn't change the feel. It will still be hydraulic assisted steering. Only difference is the power steering pump will be driven by an electric pump. Many race cars use this technology. The idea is to reduce parasitic drag on the motor to free up horsepower and increase mpg.


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I hope ur right and not the same case as post 23.
Old 08-08-2010, 03:59 PM
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Another good reason for me to keep my 997S!
Old 08-08-2010, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
Don't forget us 2009s!!!
The 2009's seem to have been suprisingly trouble-free so far. Haven't heard much about sooting, etc., recently (not sure if the problem was resolved or people have just accepted it).

For a car you want to drive, I tend to avoid first years of new(er) designs.

I'm open to the 2009's being an exception.
Old 08-08-2010, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Canyon56
The 997.2 may well become the liquid cooled era's 993. We'll have to see.
So you expect the 997.2 to be heavier, have a softer chassis, and be slower than the new car?

Let's hope so.
Old 08-08-2010, 06:59 PM
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It's LIGHTER ! Yes yes yes yes.

Sounds fantastic IMO. Smaller engine, lighter, better suspension, aero, handling. That's all exactly what I would ask for.

Most sports cars these days are going more power and heavier all the time, which just sucks IMO. It sounds great on paper to say your AMG has 500 horsepower or whatever, but when it weighs 4000 pounds it's not the car for me.
Old 08-08-2010, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
Don't forget us 2009s!!!
Originally Posted by 997CS4
Scources are well informed German Auto Bild and Britisch Car Magazine.

Thank you. Good stuff to think about.
Old 08-08-2010, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RollingArt
The idea is to reduce parasitic drag on the motor to free up horsepower and increase mpg.
Phil
But then the parasitic drag on the alternator will increase...


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