Originally Posted by thegenius

991.2 is a poor man's 992 Carrera (and 991 Turbo if you chose PDK). Better alternatives that are accessible.
The 991.1 is a poor man's GT3 touring (and 911R).

Originally Posted by Dirty Jacket

I wouldn’t want a 992 if it were free. I would pay for the 991.2 every day of the week. Not into land boats.

Originally Posted by Dirty Jacket

I wouldn’t want a 992 if it were free.

Originally Posted by tiiger

Thread title lured me in, as I am looking for a 991 since selling my 987.2 Cayman last fall.

Was thinking I want a 991.2 base, but I have yet to drive one. (I know.) No base 991.2's locally, but nearby dealer has a 991.2 C4S, which is way more car than I want, but might give me at least a taste of the difference.

But I recently drove a 991.1 base carrera 3.4 and it was really nice. Not head-snapping fast, but like others above have said, you can use a lot of the car without getting into too much trouble.

This 991.1 would be much less expensive (probably $20K less than a similar 991.2)

It's a slicktop, which I'd prefer.

A chipped/tuned 991.2 (if one wanted) can get crazy fast. But do I need it? I know a 3.4 991.1 can be software tuned, too, but the gains are more subtle.

Might be silly for many but the 991.2 has Apple Carplay, which I've really gotten used to in my current daily. (I am not a fan of the standard Porsche audio interface.) However, I have read that I could retrofit CP into the 991.1.

For me, a manual transmission is a must. But 991.2's on the forums, auctions and PCA Mart are overwhelmingly PDK. Seems to be really hard to find a nice manual these days.

I don't need insane power or a bone-jarring suspension setup. Really just nice drives with my girlfriend on country roads. Short road trips. Maybe the occasional DE day.

I think I'm trying to talk myself into getting this 991.1.

Any therapists out there who can help?

Originally Posted by Atheist

Here are a couple of 991s with manual transmissions available now. A .1 and a .2 Either one works for "Really just nice drives with my girlfriend on country roads. Short road trips. Maybe the occasional DE day.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-gts-coupe-14/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-gts-coupe-14/

Originally Posted by tiiger

Thanks! But looks like both links are the same...

yep, oh, i know there are some manuals out there. Just that most cars for sale are overwhelmingly PDK.

Gist of my post was to continue the 991.1 vs 991.2 discussion. (And to convince me a lower-priced .1 might beat a higher-priced .2)

Originally Posted by thegenius

991.2 is a poor man's 992 Carrera (and 991 Turbo if you chose PDK). Better alternatives that are accessible.
The 991.1 is a poor man's GT3 touring (and 911R).

Originally Posted by tiiger

Gist of my post was to continue the 991.1 vs 991.2 discussion. (And to convince me a lower-priced .1 might beat a higher-priced .2)

Originally Posted by Pieters

Get a .1 Carrera S Manual and you will satisfied, 3.8 NA engine what revs nicely and has way enough performance.

Originally Posted by thegenius

991.2 is a poor man's 992 Carrera (and 991 Turbo if you chose PDK). Better alternatives that are accessible.
The 991.1 is a poor man's GT3 touring (and 911R).

Originally Posted by CTDan

I've owned several 911's. All of them have been water cooled. I'm an enthusiast, and I do enjoy a track day or two each year, but I don't hold the knowledge that many of you do. I also lack the terminology to express what I'm trying to convey with my comparison between the two cars. Please keep that in mind as you read my review.

991.1 base PDK
vs
991.2 C2S manual

I bought a 2014 991.1 PDK base 911 in 2019. It was a fairly low mileage car at just 18000 miles.
My expectations were low having come out of back to back tuned 911 turbos (996 and 997), but the price was right and it seemed like it might be fun for a while.

The only modifications I did to the car were to add Soul headers, 200 cel cats, and the Soul valved exhaust (it is a PSE car).
Over the last 4 years of ownership and 25000 miles, I can honestly say that I've had more fun with this car than any of the 6 previous 911's I've owned, BUT... It isn't a manual transmission and that always left me looking for another car. Had the prices not shot up so high, I might not have kept the car as long as I did, which would have been a mistake.

Fast forward to Dec 2023 when a really nice, low mileage manual transmission 991.2 popped up for sale near my home. I had planned on selling the .1 after acquiring the .2 but luckily my wife asked if we could keep it and she could drive it.

Don't get me wrong, the .2 is a great car and seems a little more refined than the .1, and it is definitely faster. Also, it is the easiest manual transmission 911 that I have owned to drive. Shift at any RPM you want and it's easy to make it smooth. I have even taught my son to drive a stick in it and I don't think he killed it more than once or twice. The .2 has more options than my .1 with a backup camera and parking sensors being something I really like having (the .1 did not have them).

Maybe it's the RAS on the .2 that the .1 doesn't have, but the .1 just feels more raw and connected. I'm really amazed at how different the cars are.

I think I like how the .1 makes you work for the speed, whereas the .2 is fast from any rpm in any gear.

Or... possibly its just the sound the 991 makes...

I added the soul sport cats to the .2, which does have PSE, to try to improve the sound, and it helped... but it isn't even close to the way the .1 sounds. I'll likely add the Soul headers to the .2 to see if it helps me fall in love with the car, but for now, I'm just really glad to still own the .1, and honestly, if you told me I had to get rid of one... I'd have to say goodbye to the .2.

Another aspect I really like about the .1 is how I can "sport around" and not feel like Im going to go to jail if I get caught. The .2 is almost too fast to have any fun with. Maybe that will change once I get it on the track and can give it the exercise it needs. It's weird how my taste has changed as a result of owning the .1. I now see less value in overall speed and power and see more value in how fun a car is to drive.

So there is my review. Remember, it was free and all I owe you is the 2 minutes it took to read! 😇

Originally Posted by tiiger

Thanks! But looks like both links are the same...

yep, oh, i know there are some manuals out there. Just that most cars for sale are overwhelmingly PDK.

Gist of my post was to continue the 991.1 vs 991.2 discussion. (And to convince me a lower-priced .1 might beat a higher-priced .2)

Originally Posted by RRRacing

This post is perfect for us to read. We offer a Centrifugal Supercharger upgrade for the 991.1 N/A engine and the number 1 rebuttal that we receive (on Social Media posts) is "Why don't you just buy a .2?" We try to put into words that they are just different cars that lose some of the Porsche soul that the .1 car has.
Now I understand adding boost to the N/A engine may be counter intuitive to everything you said about the .2 having too much power but when using a Centi Blower it mirrors the same wonderful, linear power band of the N/A engine. There are no unpredictable gobs of torque spike you see from a turbo or tuned turbo engine.

Just thought I'd say thanks for posting this.

-Justin