(new to the forum, longtime lurker) I am strongly considering purchasing this 2014 911 4s. car looks to be in great condition. single owner, no accidents, etc. only concern is the mileage. how do you feel about this deal? will i regret buying something that's been driven so much?!

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WP0CB2A92ES154611

 

I just purchased a 2012 991.1S with 63k miles for $62. It was in prestine shape and I got it from a porsche dealer with 2 year CPO.

The price on the car you are looking at is great for a 2014 but the 109K is definately impacting that discount. I think that if it's in good shape and has a clean PPI it's a decent deal. That milage is not a big deal as long as it's been maintained properly. I'd check carfax for service history and location history. Cold weather is a bigger issue if car is not run and maintained properly.

 

There’s higher mileage cars out there. If you can afford a higher priced car with less miles, go for it. My car had 92k miles and thanks to the high mileage was in my price range. Probably wouldn’t have bought this new of a 911 otherwise.

There’s also something about that low mileage garage queen with lots of rubber dry rotted and a rodent nest. Know a guy with a ‘14 Targa with >5k miles. Don't think he’s touched it in the last 3 years now. That’s not ideal either.

 

I like that the history shows a single owner serviced almost exclusively by Porsche for it's entire life. But at 109k miles, that's an age when things start to go bad and/or need replacing. What you think you might be saving on the purchase price can add up quickly. Convertible top, suspension, all kinds of hoses and what not, etc. Could be a decent deal but it's a gamble.

 

Depends on your planned use and length of time you plan to own it. If you’re going to use as a daily driver and put a lot more miles on it then wear and tear will need to be addressed over time as well as significant depreciation.

If you use it for a weekend driver, not putting a ton of miles on it and make some refurbishment as you go, the money you’re saving is significant and the value won’t depreciate as quickly. If the depreciation matters to you… meaning maybe you plan on keeping it long term.

The one owner and service history are significant with this mileage. If it all checks out I think it’s a good buy. I just bought a 2015 4S with 28K miles for $82k. It’s in pristine condition, but that cab looks like it’s in great condition too.

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing!

 

Some thoughts for you.

What I like:
First oil change 8k miles.
One owner

What I don't like:
- This type of dealer. I do not have good luck buying from these non franchise luxury dealerships. Whenever I have, I've always found something wrong with the car after the fact... I go main franchise (ie Porsche) or private party for used.
- In NY it's whole life = increased chance of winter driving and corrosion on components (corrosion isn't a huge issue on bodywork of 991 but they're still too new too tell mostly, that said, this would be one reason I would not buy this one)
- 107k is a lot of miles but for 50K you're getting a deal.
- Pic 43 - Unrelated to mileage = Door panels are warping on top edge. I think I see it on the drivers panel as well in one of the other pics. You can google this to learn more.
- Pic 32 - looks like only 1 key, usually these dealers show anything they have, it's annoying and will cost you $600+ to get a new 2nd key from Porsche dealer. Cost of key, key shank, and programming are $680 last time I checked on it.

What I can't see:
- Check convertible top for seams coming undone. Usually on exterior, above rear quarter window areas (ish). It is probably happening and it means top replacement (ugh) or a bit of a resewing project by a good convertible top specialist, that I'm not fully sold on.

 

Above comments are spot on. Interesting the vehicle took 6 months to initial sell. How things were back then. Plugs changed at 65k. Those need to be done again. Porsche will charge 2k for the full service or you could do Indy. No CPO so you are on your own. You have read about the PDK. Low risk but be aware. Looks like a nice car.

 

This is kinda binary to me.

With this type of car, and most Porsche owner expectations, even one seemingly minor issue related to the not just the miles, but what happened previously during those miles - it is a "no way."

 

If I were looking for a track car this would be ok otherwise it is a no due to planned Obsolescence. With a track car you know engines and transmissions are regular failure items and have to be rebuilt/replaced. We put men on the moon and made a spaceship that can come through the atmosphere. Parts are engineered to last 100k miles and past that your on borrowed time. Perhaps if you have the ability to rebuild yourself it would be okay but the top mechnaism would still lead me away ? A toyota truck with this mileage for $ 10k mightbe a better play ?

 

Bud,

No, I would not agree "Parts are engineered to last 100k miles..." That is incredibly simplistic.

Now, I would say, broadly, that Porsche engines are less likely to last 300K miles than a GM V-6, or a Toyota engine ... but that is more based on the design of the engines, design including things like size vs HP, compression ratio, internal material stresses, etc.

 

I wouldn't be overly concerned about the mileage (In Europe they would consider this a good start). Solid maintenance records and more importantly no irregular issues during these visits. Go go for it! Get a good deal.

 

The car looks great in the pictures for being higher mileage, but of course they look extremely contrasted where you can't even see the wrinkles on the top. I would request more photos or see the car in person. Other than completely missing the engine cover lol and who knows what else, it looks good.
https://www.eawcars.com/used/Porsche...92e3c5d588.htm

However, take a look at this link for a little more insight into this car, for your due diligence. I see a whole lot here that you can't in the dealer listing.
You'll need a paint meter to see what the dealers do.
https://carfast-express.com/auction/...cb2a92es154611

 

I'd definately see it in person. Unless it's a Porsche dealer or another very reputable seller that offers test period I wouldn't buy it without seeing it in person. I've seen cars that look great in pics and were something very different in person.

 

Not sure where that happens. Wear is wear. No getting around it. Go look at the thread on repairing a PDK, and it's all electronic sensor related. Now finally people are repairing them, but my 2015 PDK started leaking oil w/ 9877 miles, and under factory warranty and had to be replaced.

I don't like the pictures from this dealer. They are touched up way too much. I would never personally buy a high-mileage 911, but I'm not on a budget....but I got where you're coming from. But while a high mileage car is cheaper to get into, there is increased risk, and they are harder to get out of. Go up $20k in price and get a diamond, and you will get it back later.

There are no refunds, no cooling off periods, and the 30 day warranty small dealers offer are usually BS. Deduct $1 a mile for high miles. There's limited to that, but I'm telling you making a mistake on your first Porsche will ruin the experience for you. I got f*cked on my first Ferrari. It sucked to bad I traded it in, licking my wounds, and let the dealer pass it on. These dealers no zip about the cars they get. And assuming it's been well-maintained, these cars are way more complex than the Porsches from the old days.

Fidelity doesn't offer to sell you a service contract on a 100k mile car for a reason. And being a newbie, the only service contract worth a sh*t is Fidelity Platinum because it's EXCLUSIONARY in case dealer tries to sell you one. That means it tells you a list of things it does not cover.

Lastly, while I'm tired and grumpy, the worst used Porsche buying experience was a Porsche dealer in Utah. Salesman bs'd me on the condition. Best one was a little corner lot in Los Angeles that would typically bring up my spidey senses. I might suggest Carmax cause they have a real refund policy and a great extended service contract. They get great deals there sometimes too.

This is not an S, but it's got 27k miles and looks mint. $67,998 black 911 cab

 

Do you agree that engineers have the ability to design parts to last a certain amount of time ? If yes, then do you think that the parts on our cars are designed to last forever ? Im not sure I have seen or heard of a 991 with all original parts over 125k miles . Do you have representative examples ? Im pretty sure a lifetime vehicle could be engineered (old toyota trucks ànd mercedes diesels engineers almost did it by accident). I am also sure that manufacturers want parts to fail or we would not have junktyards busting at the seams.

In economics and industrial design, planned obsolescence is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life or a purposely frail design, so that it becomes obsolete ... Wikipedia