Anyone has intel on who Porsche outsources their OEM brake pads, I don't care about the dust as annoying as it may be but I like the pedal feel and stop action on my car with factory pads.
I'm replacing the pads on my friend's car, when he bought it the pads and rotors had just been replaced but they don't feel anything like my car, just curious if OEM pads can be sourced with out going to the dealer for parts.

 

i believe it’s Textar, i think Porsche has there own formula on how they want there pads made by Textar while Textars makes the pads little less customized to the application. Nothing wrong with textar pads that aren’t Porsche oem though. Some people feel they wear different but i can’t tell the difference I’ve had both.

 

Porsche(and other manufacturers for that matter) is an engineering design company : they don't make any parts : ok they make the chassis,body panels,perhaps the engine block(not sure about that one-probably outsourced as well).
When it comes to brake pads,Porsche works with a multitude of suppliers because they sell a lot of cars and 1 suppler wouldn't be able to handle the volume. I've seen Textar,Jurid,ATE,Brembo,Pagid etc.
Just because the OEM pads come in a Porsche box and might even have Porsche inscriptions on the back of the pad,it doesn't mean they are made by Porsche : it's just a contract between Porsche and the supplier to be delivered that way. After a couple of years they don't even bother to sell them with a Porsche inscription on the back,they will come with the real manufacturer's name. It's probably a contract for exclusivity in the beginning between the 2 sides...

I'd be very curios if someone on here can post a part that comes on Porsche cars actually manufactured by Porsche themselves : I'm all ears!

In conclusion,the previous poster is right : if you buy Textar,most likely you just bought the same part Porsche is selling you from the dealer. The difference of " feel " between the 2 is just a personal impression that has nothing to do with reality IMO...

 

Look at FCPeuro, they sell the OEM equivalent. It's either Pagid or Textar, but I agree; I've always liked the oem pad pedal feel, regardless of brake dust.

 

I'm very aware that Porsche doesn't make everything no car manufacturer does, how ever they do have specs and whom ever is making the product at the time has to follow those specs, most of the times the contract is given by bid just like any other business, I worked for government for many years and all our equipment was bought to whom ever bid the lowest within what we specified, Porsche wouldn't be any different is just how the business world works.

With that said knowing the manufactures that supplies Porsche one can get aftermarket parts that doesn't come in a "Genuine Porsche" box and get the same quality at a fraction of the cost.

As far how many of the parts are actually made by Porsche? I would say less than half , the rest is contracted to third party companies and that applies to just about every car manufacturer, and Porsche is not different they outsource like everyone else.

 

I have used the Textar and ATE replacement pads on street cars over the years. Typically they work well and are less expensive than the ones that come in the Porsche box.

That being said, for a street pad that can be track capable for the beginner or intermediate driver Ferodo DS2500's foot the bill well.

While the pads that Porsche sells might be made by Textar or ATE, I do not think the compound is going to be exactly the same and I'd be hesitant to go do a DE with the aftermarket street pads.

--Aaron

 

Thanks, I did look at FCP and also Pelican they list a variety of pads that's the reason I was asking whom was supplying Porsche, I'll let my buddy pick and Ill do the installing .

 

I would like to hear your opinion about what you think less than half actually means : ideally you would have some examples of actual parts made by Porsche. I'm not arguing or debating here,I'm genuinely interested!
While I know it's almost impossible for someone outside Porsche to know that information in detail,we're on a public enthusiast forum and we can certainly speculate...let's say from experience of being in the industry : as I said,IMO,besides the chassis and some exterior panels,I am almost certain that Porsche does not actually fabricate anything. I do however have some questions about who manufactures their engine blocks : is Porsche making the molds and the blocks? Hard to say...probably not IMO...
Other than those components,I am pretty certain that Porsche doesn't actually manufacture anything else...

It goes without saying that everything is made to Porsche specifications who is the engineering design company of the product. It also goes without saying that this practice is used across the board among all automotive manufacturers,we're just talking about Porsche because we're on a Porsche enthusiast forum.

 

Absolutely not an argument..... I tell you what I know may or may not be right this is info I've gathered reading and searching.
Well we know they make chassis and all body panels, is my understanding they have a foundry where blocks and heads are made and machined, I know they buy pistons from Mahle, I beleive turbos still come from KKK , engine electronics are mostly Bosh, the PDK is made by ZF, brakes are Brembo (calipers and rotors) seats are sourced out but covered in leather in house to customer orders maybe the standard are not can't say, wheels are sourced out to about 3 different companies some are made in Taiwan, Im sure glasses/windows are also sourced. I recall during the pandemic the company that made the keys caught fire or something happened and it delayed delivery, so if we start to really dig in is probably a lot less than most sought including my self, as I do a mental inventory of other components a more educated guess would place it at about 25% or less if paint and finish is added.
And yes is across the board with all brands, I recall when I was riding Harleys some guys put down Japanese brands, unknown to them half a Harley comes from Japan, I know they make their own engines because I went to the factory and saw it, and the VRod is a Porsche design.
I have plans to visit Stuttgart sometime soon, I was very near in Zurich in June last year was planing to visit the Porsche factory as is a 2 hr train ride from Zurich, however I contracted covid while there so I had to cancel, can't wait to visit next year and take the factory tour and museum should be a great experience.

 

@KNSBrakes do you think it is OK to run Ferodo DS2500's on the stock drilled rotors? I'm an intermediate DE driver looking for some braking performance, and am considering swapping out the pads along with the tires (Cup2's) for track days, and maybe back to the Textar's (w/MPS4S's) for the street and wet track days. But I love the stock look, so think maybe of not going to slotted rotors yet.

 

We (Essex) are the exclusive North American importer and distributor for Ferodo Racing Brake Pads. It is absolutely fine to run Ferodo pads on stock drilled discs. Please see our guide for Ferodo pad compounds: Which Ferodo Brake Pad Compound is Right for Me?

Whether or not DS2500 is ideal for you will depend on a wide variety of factors including which tracks you're running, driving style (how hard you are on the brakes), what all modifications you have to your car, etc. It's impossible to say the DS2500 will be your best option. That said, it's extremely difficult to fade the DS2500 for most people with a fairly standard 991 HPDE car. They may just wear faster than you'd like. The other good news is that you can lay down all the Ferodo pad compounds over top of each other on your discs. That means if you do decide to move up to a more aggressive track compound, you can run them on the same disc without fear of uneven pad deposits and judder.

If you want discs that look really cool and offer superior performance vs. stock, give AP Racing by Essex J Hook 2-piece Discs a try. The J Hooks look awesome and our hats tend to maintain their black anodized appearance better than others (which tend to turn a coppery/maroon color after they are heat cycled enough). AP J Hooks have also proven to be the most durable option available at any price. I'm not sure which specific trim you have, but here is our brake menu for the 991.1S for example:
https://www.essexparts.com/my-vehicl...0S/Iron%20disc

 

JR what is your Ferodo street normal driving pad today?, if I recall there was a street pad that was a bit superior to oem compound, but I'm going back to the late 70s early 80s when I worked for a performance shop and sold Ferodo along with many other performance products.

 

That's very cool! Many people don't realize just how long Ferodo has been around. Their first racing pads became popular in professional motorsports in 1930!

Ferodo DS2500 is great on the street, and we currently have a huge number of customers daily driving them in a wide array of vehicles. I'm not sure when that compound was introduced, as I didn't start working with Ferodo pads until around the year 2000. I wonder what compound you would have been selling at that time...I may have to ask home base in Italy! Ferodo has a history timeline video on their site here: https://www.ferodoracing.com/about-us

I was just in Mondovi Italy at their HQ a couple months ago. They have quite a large operation.

 

My OEM 991.1S pads were made by Pagid. The OE Textars from FCP didn't have quite the same initial bite of the OEM Pagid, but were quieter and less dust.

 

@JRitt@essex Awesome, I really appreciate the information!