0Camus0

Hello,

New to this forum, I have been lurking for a while but now I am about to pull the trigger on this 911.2:

https://www.grandprimotors.com/used/...6697aa9820.htm

Everything looks fine, except the service record, there is one at 27k miles. The owner was corporate, so I am not sure if the car had the services done, but not reported.

Any suggestions?

My second option is this 991.2 4S Targa: https://www.grandprimotors.com/used/...6697aa9820.htm

It's my second option because it's more expensive, but it also has the same problem, first record is at 30k miles. Are people really owning these $120k cars without changing the oil, brakes, clutch until 25k + miles ?

Thanks, maybe I am relying too much in Carfax. I'll ask the dealer for more info, but I would like to know your opinions.

Thanks

DocGrubs

Just make sure you see the 2017 C2S in person and like the interior with the silver exterior. Agate Grey is actually a muddy brown and doesn’t seem to go very well with a silver exterior, it needs some accessories or something to make it pop.

Also, please repost with the correct link to the 4S - this had the same link as the first car.

cbredesen

I don't think you'll find new brakes or clutch on most normally driven 911s at that mileage. Oil changes, yeah ... I would hope that's being done. AFIAK all P dealers report to Carfax and I know my indy does. Lack of records in Carfax isn't definitive evidence that work hasn't been done but it's not a confidence inspiring data point.

Also I agree with the other poster about the agate interior. I've seen it up close and it's an odd brownish color, really great in some situations but not sure on GT silver. The pics where you see both interior and exterior are pretty indicative of how it looks. Could be your jam, though!

Tier1Terrier

When a car like that has no service records for so many miles and is documented as a lease, that's a no-go for me. And the only service record is at a tire discounter... no way. For me, it's not worth taking the risk.

madsedan

Not all shops report to carfax, ask for records, may be completely cool but that was the only dealer service that was logged.
Depending on a third party for service records can be hit or miss.

neptune36

Only one service reported with 2 owners,( including the 2nd being the dealer who had it for 2-3 years), two states far apart and no servicing shop reported anything from either location for 4 years? I wouldn't think a leasee would be a DIY'r. so unless there is a credible maintenance log with receipts I'd walk on this one. Additionally, dealers claim they perform maintenance on a newly listed vehicles but this one did not report doing anything even as simple as oil change. Alternative is getting a PPI for obvious reasons then if decent, low ball them with rational that you have to spend big bucks to bring the maintenance up to date.

HardRider

The 4S with manual transmission is a rare bird, usually only see with PDK. Manual will always be worth more than PDK and you will LOVE IT. Nothing forced driver interaction like a manual transmission. I am sure maintenance was performed they just need to get the service records. Agate grey as far interior is nice, like black, doesn't make or break the deal. I think price is right if you could get mid-90's it would be a steel. I was looking at the same car but a 2s vs 4s same colors interior and exterior with 16K miles for exact same price. That was last December. I wish someone smart would do an analysis on what price depreciation is the result of miles. Every 10K miles price drops?? In my opinion it seams to be about $2.5K. So you have 40K miles at 99,900 one with 20K miles would be $105K?

CSK 911 C4S

I thing the C4S without a full leather interior and no CPO is about 10K more then I would pay.

dvalera001

Service record issues is a no go for me.. Keep looking, especially that it seems to concern you already. I wouldn't spend 100K on an iffy car, there are plenty of others.

james280

Definitely agree with this. My Porsche Indy (a prominent Boston area Indy) doesn't report to Carfax, and I know some Porsche dealers don't. I spoke to the P dealer that serviced my car before I bought it and they told me they don't report to Carfax. Always best to have service records with the car - I can't imagine having one of these cars and not taking care and saving/organizing the service records to pass on when I sell. I definitely would pass on these cars without records.

IXLR8

Strange, my 1999 daily driver that I bought new has absolutely no service records from a dealer or Carfax and when I sold it to a Porsche friend of mine when it was 14 years old, damn, he is still driving it trouble-free at year 23. Some of us are too picky to let a dealer or indy close to our cars.

If you want an accurate record, I would trust the Porsche dealer far more than Carfax.

Tier1Terrier

The key distinction here is buying from a friend who could personally validate the care and service history that was given to the vehicle vs. buying from a non p-car dealer who probably couldn't care less about the purchaser.

RP4S911

You look at Carfax for first clues into any accidents in the past before metering the car's paint (because most aren't reported if they don't go through insurance). Using Carfax as a make-or-break because because of service history is a bit silly. You have to pay a ridiculous amount of money to have your service system integrated with carfax, or it takes a bunch of time for a service writer to enter all the information manually if their RO system just doesn't merge right with it. A service facility not already using Carfax to buy cars (like a dealer) usually won't pay to report to Carfax for repairs unless they consider it a Marketing expense just to have their name on the Carfaxs. I ran an exotic dealer for around a decade and we never bothered until recently.

Get it checked out. If there are no service receipts with the car, then request to have it serviced before delivery. No big deal. You'll know it has fresh oil and looked over at the time you take it home. Drive it, like it, keep it.

HardRider

Insurance companies rarely if ever report to Carfax, why would they it substantiates a diminished value case. Lazy *** Carfax gets their information from Police reports. No auditing to find if they are correct or valid. I could falsify an accident against your car and cause substantial diminished value. Filing a false police report has never been prosecuted in this country......

subshooter

I own 3 Porsche sports cars and I have been a DIY guy for a couple years now. I uploaded all of my receipts and maintenance records onto carfax myself through their app. Other DIY guys don't. My cars are all corporate owned (Montana LLC) to avoid sales tax too so nothing unusual there.

Many Indy's don't report and few DIY guys upload receipts on carfax. I'd try to get a hold of the owner and ask him.