Over-torque consequences
#1
Over-torque consequences
Already posted this in the Wheel & Tire forum, but no takers.
What are the unintended consequences of wheels that have been over-torqued? By a lot. Say 250fp instead of 118fp?
(and yes, it was the Porsche dealer).
DaveGee
What are the unintended consequences of wheels that have been over-torqued? By a lot. Say 250fp instead of 118fp?
(and yes, it was the Porsche dealer).
DaveGee
#4
Can't be good if by that much but I'm curious how you know what torque spec was used??
#5
Hah, I was waiting for that question. I don’t know for a fact. However, I easily removed the rears first which were presumably torqued to 118fp without a problem. It was only the fronts that required much, much more than twice the effort to break the lug nuts free.
Bottom line: total swag on my part.
DaveGee
Bottom line: total swag on my part.
DaveGee
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#9
Unfortunately, it's on good will at this point for the dealer to fix it as you've removed them. I'd call your SA as soon as possible and say "hey so I was doing (whatever you were doing that needed removal of wheels) and noticed the fronts were cranked on there exceptionally tight when compared to the rears, any chance I'll need new lugs?"
What happens is the bolts begin to yield -- that is, they stretch. The hub itself could have deformed threads as well, but you'd feel that by putting a new lug bolt in there (or an undamaged one, like from the rear). Usually it's just the bolt.
Along with that, you have issues with deforming or cracking the wheel. There's also the (probably not real) chance of warping the rotor, but that's allegedly an unequal torque problem versus an overtorque problem.
What happens is the bolts begin to yield -- that is, they stretch. The hub itself could have deformed threads as well, but you'd feel that by putting a new lug bolt in there (or an undamaged one, like from the rear). Usually it's just the bolt.
Along with that, you have issues with deforming or cracking the wheel. There's also the (probably not real) chance of warping the rotor, but that's allegedly an unequal torque problem versus an overtorque problem.
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#10
Unfortunately, it's on good will at this point for the dealer to fix it as you've removed them. I'd call your SA as soon as possible and say "hey so I was doing (whatever you were doing that needed removal of wheels) and noticed the fronts were cranked on there exceptionally tight when compared to the rears, any chance I'll need new lugs?"
What happens is the bolts begin to yield -- that is, they stretch. The hub itself could have deformed threads as well, but you'd feel that by putting a new lug bolt in there (or an undamaged one, like from the rear). Usually it's just the bolt.
Along with that, you have issues with deforming or cracking the wheel. There's also the (probably not real) chance of warping the rotor, but that's allegedly an unequal torque problem versus an overtorque problem.
What happens is the bolts begin to yield -- that is, they stretch. The hub itself could have deformed threads as well, but you'd feel that by putting a new lug bolt in there (or an undamaged one, like from the rear). Usually it's just the bolt.
Along with that, you have issues with deforming or cracking the wheel. There's also the (probably not real) chance of warping the rotor, but that's allegedly an unequal torque problem versus an overtorque problem.
#11
Worst case scenario, new studs and new hub.
I would reach out to the dealer that did it and kindly request to have the parts replaced under warranty. More than likely your threads will give out if they havent already. How do they feel if you put in on stud my hand all the way, no wheel on the car?
I would reach out to the dealer that did it and kindly request to have the parts replaced under warranty. More than likely your threads will give out if they havent already. How do they feel if you put in on stud my hand all the way, no wheel on the car?
#12
... and new front wheels.. :S
keep in mind, they will bottom out on.. something, back there. brake related I believe. see threads about "my 911 moves 3 inches then the wheel locks up" -- culprit is extended wheel lugs still being used after taking a spacer off. @LexVan is familiar with this, I believe.
#13
... and new front wheels.. :S
keep in mind, they will bottom out on.. something, back there. brake related I believe. see threads about "my 911 moves 3 inches then the wheel locks up" -- culprit is extended wheel lugs still being used after taking a spacer off. @LexVan is familiar with this, I believe.
keep in mind, they will bottom out on.. something, back there. brake related I believe. see threads about "my 911 moves 3 inches then the wheel locks up" -- culprit is extended wheel lugs still being used after taking a spacer off. @LexVan is familiar with this, I believe.
How would the wheel be damaged? I guess anything possible but I dont see the wheels being deformed in anyway from 250ft/lbs.
#14
Detorque value does not correlate well at all to initial torque values. ("known as the loosening test")
If you torque a bolt to 100 ft lbs. Its detorque is usually higher.
With that said it should not be double. You are probably fine. With that said an abundantly over cautious thing to do would be to replace the studs and pull the rotors to make sure the hubs are still flat. I don't see the benefit though.
If you torque a bolt to 100 ft lbs. Its detorque is usually higher.
With that said it should not be double. You are probably fine. With that said an abundantly over cautious thing to do would be to replace the studs and pull the rotors to make sure the hubs are still flat. I don't see the benefit though.