Best option with PSE???
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This is the full Street Package Valved Exhaust System (headers + exhaust):
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uphoto (02-28-2021)
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Try to find a local car group or cars-n-coffee or something, where you can find a local modified 911. Look enough and chances are you may find both options out there to listen to help guide your decision. Patience will pay off for something like this since sound is HIGHLY subjective which is always why these kinds of threads can get messy.
For example, there's a guy in a 991.1 cab out at my local PCA autocross and it's about the best sounding 911 I've ever heard. I have a video of it but honestly there's no real sense of posting it since I don't know what the guy has... but he's out there all the time and I'll ask him next time I go.
But another thing it gives you the opportunity to do, is ask other questions. I have yet to meet anyone at a driving event that didn't love to talk about their cars with other enthusiasts. That way you'll also find out more about what it's like to live with; for example, this noteworthy 991.1 I speak of is also probably the loudest 911 I've ever heard, so I'd be interested in hearing what it's like on long trips, if there's drone, etc.
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uphoto (02-28-2021)
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Yeah, I’m so confused.
read up last night on people saying headers and PSE sounds amazing, perfect, race car like and then hear others say that they don’t change sound much........
I really don’t need more power but won’t complain about it but more important is more sound. I need to find something that sounds great just driving around but not out of control loud since I have a convertible.
read up last night on people saying headers and PSE sounds amazing, perfect, race car like and then hear others say that they don’t change sound much........
I really don’t need more power but won’t complain about it but more important is more sound. I need to find something that sounds great just driving around but not out of control loud since I have a convertible.
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Soul Performance (03-01-2021)
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Here is a quick blip of the setup on my old 991.1 S. This was filmed by a friend behind me and the quality isn’t great, but you can easily hear that beautiful sound.
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I went down this rabbit hole with my 991.1 PSE. Also not interested in replacing cats, mufflers, etc.
The Soul X-Pipe is the best option out there for more volume for the money. From what I have read, you get a very noticeable increase in volume without any drone. It also preserves the factory PSE button functionality. The Soul's are meticulously finished, tig welded properly, and have great QA. So you know what youre getting for your money.
There is a lot of controversy surrounding the other manufacturers (especially Fabspeed) concerneing sourcing and quality. Most of them are made in China so the materials and welding arent verifiable. Im not a "Made in China = Bad" person, but I do know the limitations on quality control you can expect from China based on my own professional experience with Chinese fabrication shops. Youll never know if the tig welds are backpurged, if the stainless steel is up to spec, etc. Inspections to verify this stuff stateside are expensive and will not be done by a company like Fabspeed. Even if youre getting CMTRs from China (which youre not on something like this), theres a 50/50 chance that they lied. Also, youre not going to get the same welding skill and quality work. Youre not going to get things inspected well. Those are just facts. Considering the price difference is not that big between the Soul and Fabspeed equivalents, I would spend the extra money on the Soul. Plus you are getting extra engineering value with the helmholtz resonator.
There are tons of people that are totally satisfied with the Soul, Fabspeed, AWE, etc. So does any of this matter? IDK. It matters to me. If it were my money, Id buy the Soul (which I plan on doing in a few months). Second place wouth be AWE. I wouldnt buy Fabspeed just because of the unprofessionalism Ive seen from the owner from a few years ago.
The Soul X-Pipe is the best option out there for more volume for the money. From what I have read, you get a very noticeable increase in volume without any drone. It also preserves the factory PSE button functionality. The Soul's are meticulously finished, tig welded properly, and have great QA. So you know what youre getting for your money.
There is a lot of controversy surrounding the other manufacturers (especially Fabspeed) concerneing sourcing and quality. Most of them are made in China so the materials and welding arent verifiable. Im not a "Made in China = Bad" person, but I do know the limitations on quality control you can expect from China based on my own professional experience with Chinese fabrication shops. Youll never know if the tig welds are backpurged, if the stainless steel is up to spec, etc. Inspections to verify this stuff stateside are expensive and will not be done by a company like Fabspeed. Even if youre getting CMTRs from China (which youre not on something like this), theres a 50/50 chance that they lied. Also, youre not going to get the same welding skill and quality work. Youre not going to get things inspected well. Those are just facts. Considering the price difference is not that big between the Soul and Fabspeed equivalents, I would spend the extra money on the Soul. Plus you are getting extra engineering value with the helmholtz resonator.
There are tons of people that are totally satisfied with the Soul, Fabspeed, AWE, etc. So does any of this matter? IDK. It matters to me. If it were my money, Id buy the Soul (which I plan on doing in a few months). Second place wouth be AWE. I wouldnt buy Fabspeed just because of the unprofessionalism Ive seen from the owner from a few years ago.
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you’re probably reading about the 991.2 model. The headers are one piece with the high flow cats. What’s so good about them, is that the sound does change, creating almost like a F1 sound to it. Videos do it no justice. Also, the 991.1 has a dead sport of torque, I forget where, but this setup eliminates that and surprisingly you’ll feel the bump in power. The increase in gains I personally saw were great, throughout the entire power band. So you’ll get the bump in power and the sound you want. Talk to John Gaydos at SOUL.
I did just watch a video of Soul headers on a GTS and I kept thinking "why does it sound so damn bad?" and realized it was a 991.2 GTS.
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Bud Taylor (03-01-2021)
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Here's my AWE Switchpath. Not the best video but it's something...
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I think the plan is going to be doing cat back exhaust at first just to kick up the db's and then once I want to get a bit of a power kick I'll add the headers.
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afk (03-02-2021)
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Nope, there is actually a person in this topic who said it doesn't do much for the sound and then there are people saying it does a lot.
I did just watch a video of Soul headers on a GTS and I kept thinking "why does it sound so damn bad?" and realized it was a 991.2 GTS.
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I did just watch a video of Soul headers on a GTS and I kept thinking "why does it sound so damn bad?" and realized it was a 991.2 GTS.
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uphoto (03-01-2021)
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lolll, hence the reason I put on a full Kline exhaust setup on my 991.2 GTS. Sounds pretty damn good now.
keep in mind that an exhaust setup will more than likely create drone at some point of the RPM range. If you have an Auto, you may be cruising within that drone range. Just something to research. Good luck.
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Anyway, that said I think there's a full Kline in my future as well. I've spent as much on watches, why not a full inconel exhaust system? Even though "bad" is definitely not a word that should be used to describe how even a stock 991.2 sounds by any reasonable person. "Not as good as a 991.1" is accurate. "Bad" IS ****posting.
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But but- I thought the 991.1 sounds so good you don't need to do any aftermarket mods? Wasn't that the whole point of this weird turbo vs naturally aspirated "rivalry" that has half the forum calling me out on trolly ****posting every time I post something that challenges it?
Anyway, that said I think there's a full Kline in my future as well. I've spent as much on watches, why not a full inconel exhaust system? Even though "bad" is definitely not a word that should be used to describe how even a stock 991.2 sounds by any reasonable person. "Not as good as a 991.1" is accurate. "Bad" IS ****posting.
/triggeredrant
Anyway, that said I think there's a full Kline in my future as well. I've spent as much on watches, why not a full inconel exhaust system? Even though "bad" is definitely not a word that should be used to describe how even a stock 991.2 sounds by any reasonable person. "Not as good as a 991.1" is accurate. "Bad" IS ****posting.
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Take a deep breath and re-read my comment, nobody challenged your manhood. It was said in jest.
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Which is why in my case, I decided to use the /triggeredrant thing at the bottom of my post so as to avoid the embarrassingly unnecessary reply where I have to explain that what I posted was "in jest". Because this wouldn't be the first time somebody accused me of feeling that "my manhood was challenged"... which I actually alluded to in my post. So I figured I'd try something new and make it ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS that I was not entirely serious, or at the very least self-aware. I tried. And here we are.
So in the spirit of avoiding the reputation of a true ****poster, I have decided to take this opportunity to provide value to the forum corpus and educate my fellow... perhaps superannuated forum members who occasionally struggle with Internet message board vernacular. Here is a link to study up on the origin of why this whole post is completely unnecessary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_language
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As mentioned our HJS HD 200 cell catted headers is a great upgrade if you have PSE. You'd notice an increase in drivability more so than upgrading the rear exhaust. Our Valved Performance Exhaust System is designed to coax out more aggression and refine the exhaust note into something greater than PSE. You'll get more in cabin presence that is kept in check with the anti-drone tubes. If you're worried about the in-cabin presence being too aggressive and you have PSE - headers are the best choice.
As always if you have ANY questions at all please don't hesitate to reach out to us! We've got plenty of seat time with several different configurations and we're more than happy to chat and make sure you get exactly what you're looking for it - we're here for you!
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As always if you have ANY questions at all please don't hesitate to reach out to us! We've got plenty of seat time with several different configurations and we're more than happy to chat and make sure you get exactly what you're looking for it - we're here for you!
-Mike
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As mentioned our HJS HD 200 cell catted headers is a great upgrade if you have PSE. You'd notice an increase in drivability more so than upgrading the rear exhaust. Our Valved Performance Exhaust System is designed to coax out more aggression and refine the exhaust note into something greater than PSE. You'll get more in cabin presence that is kept in check with the anti-drone tubes. If you're worried about the in-cabin presence being too aggressive and you have PSE - headers are the best choice.
As always if you have ANY questions at all please don't hesitate to reach out to us! We've got plenty of seat time with several different configurations and we're more than happy to chat and make sure you get exactly what you're looking for it - we're here for you!
-Mike
As always if you have ANY questions at all please don't hesitate to reach out to us! We've got plenty of seat time with several different configurations and we're more than happy to chat and make sure you get exactly what you're looking for it - we're here for you!
-Mike
Im sure its great product but 3k for headers is not what im trying to spend on this.
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