991.1 base model question
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Drifting
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991.1 base model question
Just dipping my feet in the 991 market and you guys talked me out of a 4S. So now I'm back. CarMax has a 2013 base with manual and sports chrono. 16k miles for low 60's. Sorry don't know how to link through an app
I thought - from my extensive YouTube watching - that the carrera T was a manual base 991.2 with sports chrono and you could not get that on a base, only an S
I thought - from my extensive YouTube watching - that the carrera T was a manual base 991.2 with sports chrono and you could not get that on a base, only an S
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Jun 20, 2020, 07:05 AM
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There is no need to go for a 4S really. I wonder why there seems to be a "universal truth" that faster or more powerful is always better. That is simply not the case I would argue, at least not in the real world where you have traffic, bad roads etcetera . I test drove a 991.1 Carrera S, 991.2 GTS and a 991.1 GT3, in that order I found them to be increasingly less enjoyable on the road.
Specially the GT3! The cars are too powerful to a point where they simply are not enjoyable unless you go really fast. The GT3 is a fantastic track car but not at all enjoyable in urban areas. You need at least 5000 rpm to feel its power, then everything rushes by in split second during which you would reach very high speeds, catch up with the traffic in front and get annoyed with all the "slow" drivers ruining the good curvy country road in front of you, or if you are lucky enough to catch a strip that lacks the traffic enough for you to actually rev it out, then you are going so fast that the road conditions (non smooth asfalt) are annoying the hell out of you. I'm sure its great on track, but not usable on public roads where everyone around you are going 70-90 km/h (45-55 mph).
A base Carrera or a Carrera 4 is right there in the sweet spot where it is fast enough to be fun and still slow enough for you to push it on public roads without cursing about everyone that is in your way. Buying a 3.4 Carrera 4 was the best decision that I could make and now 3 years later, I'm still glad that I didn't go for the more powerful versions.
Specially the GT3! The cars are too powerful to a point where they simply are not enjoyable unless you go really fast. The GT3 is a fantastic track car but not at all enjoyable in urban areas. You need at least 5000 rpm to feel its power, then everything rushes by in split second during which you would reach very high speeds, catch up with the traffic in front and get annoyed with all the "slow" drivers ruining the good curvy country road in front of you, or if you are lucky enough to catch a strip that lacks the traffic enough for you to actually rev it out, then you are going so fast that the road conditions (non smooth asfalt) are annoying the hell out of you. I'm sure its great on track, but not usable on public roads where everyone around you are going 70-90 km/h (45-55 mph).
A base Carrera or a Carrera 4 is right there in the sweet spot where it is fast enough to be fun and still slow enough for you to push it on public roads without cursing about everyone that is in your way. Buying a 3.4 Carrera 4 was the best decision that I could make and now 3 years later, I'm still glad that I didn't go for the more powerful versions.
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Just dipping my feet in the 991 market and you guys talked me out of a 4S. So now I'm back. CarMax has a 2013 base with manual and sports chrono. 16k miles for low 60's. Sorry don't know how to link through an app
I thought - from my extensive YouTube watching - that the carrera T was a manual base 991.2 with sports chrono and you could not get that on a base, only an S
I thought - from my extensive YouTube watching - that the carrera T was a manual base 991.2 with sports chrono and you could not get that on a base, only an S
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confused. are you asking if a 991.1 base can come with sports chrono? Yes, i believe it can.
991.2 T is a separate model that has more changes than just a sports chrono (pay extra for stopwatch). comes with lsd (in manual only), and trim bits.
991.2 T is a separate model that has more changes than just a sports chrono (pay extra for stopwatch). comes with lsd (in manual only), and trim bits.
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Ok so more questions
sport is “sport” button. Standard on all?
sport chrono Is the sport plus button and the shock button - PSSE and I thought they came together? On the 991 this is the more agressive throttle, stiffer shock setting, and something about motor mounts
the 997.2 base PDK I have has neither - but I’ve looked into adding the sport button which if you have a PDK gives you a sport plus button for launch control
so not really sure what sport plus is on a manual
as far as power, honestly with my 996 and 997.2 base I have never wanted for more power.
also, so for the buttons on the left you have options for sport, sport plus, the shock picture and traction control
on the right there is auto start stop and PSE
what other options go in the open spots?
sport is “sport” button. Standard on all?
sport chrono Is the sport plus button and the shock button - PSSE and I thought they came together? On the 991 this is the more agressive throttle, stiffer shock setting, and something about motor mounts
the 997.2 base PDK I have has neither - but I’ve looked into adding the sport button which if you have a PDK gives you a sport plus button for launch control
so not really sure what sport plus is on a manual
as far as power, honestly with my 996 and 997.2 base I have never wanted for more power.
also, so for the buttons on the left you have options for sport, sport plus, the shock picture and traction control
on the right there is auto start stop and PSE
what other options go in the open spots?
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PDCC is one other option. Dynamic Chassis Control, I.e. active anti roll bars.
sport plus on a manual activates rev matching. And if you have Sport chrono, tightens the engine mounts.
Also PSE - Sport Exhaust.
sport plus on a manual activates rev matching. And if you have Sport chrono, tightens the engine mounts.
Also PSE - Sport Exhaust.
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I bought a 2014 911 base 7mt in February. Almost zero options except for sport chrono, Bose (which sucks), glass roof, satin S wheels.
I absolutely love this car. I bought it for $53k with 40k miles. I wanted a 2019 gts 7mt after driving them
a ton during 4 days of PTX At Barber last year but my base 911 gives me %80 of the thrills at half the price.
this post answers almost none of your questions; just wanted to represent the poor base people on here. Haha.
I absolutely love this car. I bought it for $53k with 40k miles. I wanted a 2019 gts 7mt after driving them
a ton during 4 days of PTX At Barber last year but my base 911 gives me %80 of the thrills at half the price.
this post answers almost none of your questions; just wanted to represent the poor base people on here. Haha.
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Don't take this the wrong way but I think you need to do some research. You have been here for a while so you have been using the forum and know how much info can be found here. Take some time and read about the different 991 models and get a better idea of what you want. And I certainly was not the one who talked you out of a 4S because if so you would be looking for a GTS now!
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I know. I’m lazy at work. I meant busy at work. The only thing I have narrowed down is I’m looking for a NA 991. Can’t even decide between coupe/cab/targa much less anything else. The 4S was $67k, and had espresso interior, manual, and burmeister. But no sports chrono. But damn that interior was a nice place to sit.
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There is no need to go for a 4S really. I wonder why there seems to be a "universal truth" that faster or more powerful is always better. That is simply not the case I would argue, at least not in the real world where you have traffic, bad roads etcetera . I test drove a 991.1 Carrera S, 991.2 GTS and a 991.1 GT3, in that order I found them to be increasingly less enjoyable on the road.
Specially the GT3! The cars are too powerful to a point where they simply are not enjoyable unless you go really fast. The GT3 is a fantastic track car but not at all enjoyable in urban areas. You need at least 5000 rpm to feel its power, then everything rushes by in split second during which you would reach very high speeds, catch up with the traffic in front and get annoyed with all the "slow" drivers ruining the good curvy country road in front of you, or if you are lucky enough to catch a strip that lacks the traffic enough for you to actually rev it out, then you are going so fast that the road conditions (non smooth asfalt) are annoying the hell out of you. I'm sure its great on track, but not usable on public roads where everyone around you are going 70-90 km/h (45-55 mph).
A base Carrera or a Carrera 4 is right there in the sweet spot where it is fast enough to be fun and still slow enough for you to push it on public roads without cursing about everyone that is in your way. Buying a 3.4 Carrera 4 was the best decision that I could make and now 3 years later, I'm still glad that I didn't go for the more powerful versions.
Specially the GT3! The cars are too powerful to a point where they simply are not enjoyable unless you go really fast. The GT3 is a fantastic track car but not at all enjoyable in urban areas. You need at least 5000 rpm to feel its power, then everything rushes by in split second during which you would reach very high speeds, catch up with the traffic in front and get annoyed with all the "slow" drivers ruining the good curvy country road in front of you, or if you are lucky enough to catch a strip that lacks the traffic enough for you to actually rev it out, then you are going so fast that the road conditions (non smooth asfalt) are annoying the hell out of you. I'm sure its great on track, but not usable on public roads where everyone around you are going 70-90 km/h (45-55 mph).
A base Carrera or a Carrera 4 is right there in the sweet spot where it is fast enough to be fun and still slow enough for you to push it on public roads without cursing about everyone that is in your way. Buying a 3.4 Carrera 4 was the best decision that I could make and now 3 years later, I'm still glad that I didn't go for the more powerful versions.
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I have a 2012.5 C2. yes, it's the sweet spot and I have enjoyed every day of the 8+ years of ownership. I have over 95,000 trouble free miles. It is a quick car that is perfect for every day use. It's quickness is revealed at traffic lights. I never try to accelerate through yellow lights - not because the car won't make it through before the light turns red, but because to do so will almost always result in the necessity of slamming on the brakes to avoid smashing into the car in front of me.
I've never "missed" the extra 50 hp in the S model and spent the extra money on things I could enjoy - full leather interior, multi function steering wheel, PSE and the like.
I seem to recall that the dynamic motor mounts were an add on to the sport chronology...for the life of me, I could never figure out why someone who didn't race would want what amounts to solid motor mounts...
I've never "missed" the extra 50 hp in the S model and spent the extra money on things I could enjoy - full leather interior, multi function steering wheel, PSE and the like.
I seem to recall that the dynamic motor mounts were an add on to the sport chronology...for the life of me, I could never figure out why someone who didn't race would want what amounts to solid motor mounts...
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I do have a 991.1 C2 as well and love every meter I ride with him. Sure red break callipers look nice and a little bit higher top speed would be nice on the Autobahn, but 302 km/h is fair enough.
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I know. I’m lazy at work. I meant busy at work. The only thing I have narrowed down is I’m looking for a NA 991. Can’t even decide between coupe/cab/targa much less anything else. The 4S was $67k, and had espresso interior, manual, and burmeister. But no sports chrono. But damn that interior was a nice place to sit.
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I know. I’m lazy at work. I meant busy at work. The only thing I have narrowed down is I’m looking for a NA 991. Can’t even decide between coupe/cab/targa much less anything else. The 4S was $67k, and had espresso interior, manual, and burmeister. But no sports chrono. But damn that interior was a nice place to sit.
