adcampo

Thinking of getting a new car. I've got a 991.1 S cab PDK. I'm just starting to look around.

I'm wondering if I'll notice enough of a difference with the 991.1 GTS. Ideally I would get a 7MT.

Welcome some input.

Hurricane

I went from a 991.1 S to a 991.1S w/powerkit (same engine as the GTS) (and later to a 991.2GTS).

The performance difference was marginal but I could feel it. The exhaust note was also slightly deeper. Both great cars!

snake eyes

I was going to go from my 991.1 S to a 991.1 GTS and than I drove a 991.2 S with (sport package) - I forked over the extra cash and went the the 991.2 S - SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE.

garfunkle

Just a thought - if it's power you think you are missing then start with a tune and see if that gets it. Headers + tune will pull on a stock GTS in a straight line FWIW. Plenum + Catback + BMC filters + FVD Headers (200ct cats) + FVD tune is ~450-470 bhp according to FVD. Consequently also costs more than a Powerkit...

Hurricane

Well, I won’t argue with that...

AdamSanta85

I was thinking that... those Dundon intake runners + headers + tune could be a killer combo... but buying all that stuff new is going to run around $8k...

garfunkle

I hadn't seen the intake runners. 4K seems pretty steep though.... 30whp also includes meth.... anyone else have experience with these?

AdamSanta85

Yea price is definitely high, but if the gains are true....

Those numbers included meth? If so, that's a hard pass, just another thing to take care of, maintain, or go wrong, for a little more timing advance...

Class5Kayaker

The only reason I would do this is if the main reason was to switch from PDK to Manual. Like others have said, if you're looking to bump power according to your "butt-meter" then I don't think it would be worth it.

Southbranch

I drove a 2016 C2 base (Black Edition) with MT and sport chrono for 2+ years and just bought a 2016 GTS, also a manual. For me, the differences are clearly noticeable, but not profound, except for the sportier exhaust sound. The HP gain from the base 3.4L engine was 80 (~23%) and the gain in torque was 37 ftlb (~13%).

If you are going from an 991.1 S to a 991.1 GTS, you gain only 30 hp (7.5%) and no increase in torque. If you want more torque, especially at lower RPM get a 991.2 or 992.

Going from a PDK to manual will be a big change though. I think the sportscar driving experience is more direct and involving with a manual, even if it is a little slower.

phefner

Own a 991.1 C4S and I’ve also spent some time pondering what your thinking OP. In addition to what’s been outlined, they are great suggestions, consider dropping some weight in the wheels. Some BBS Lightweights or OZ racing wheels. It should make a real difference. Not just in handling but also leaping out of an apex on the track.

Some good comments/discussion in the racing/competition section by people far more knowledgeable.

kennypowers

I have. I had a 991.1S with all the sports options minus pccb and powerkit and I loved it.

i now have a 991.1 gts and love it even more. For me, the widebody both looks better and feels more stable than my old 991.1s. I also think the gts sounds notably better with more intake noise and I like the higher redline (I think 400 rpm higher?)

overall the gts just feels a little better in a lot of areas.

plus, I like the wheels and I also like all the options which are things I would want in an s/4s anyway.

i also think that the higher upfront cost is offset by excellent resale, if you can afford to park / spend the money upfront.

I would always have gts envy when I had my S, and now I don’t and am driving exactly what I want which makes the ownership experience better for me.

the power is more than enough for me, and the throttle response and sound is fantastic.

both cars are / were manual. If I were in the market for a pdk and didn’t want / need backseats for my son I would pony up for a 991.1 gt3 which aren’t that much more expensive.

Dom991.1

Power increases on an NA motor will be high cost & limited reward regardless - however, come resale time you will always do better making OEM upgrades/changes. Aftermarket upgrades will automatically discourage SOME potential buyers, thereby limiting your resale appeal..

Porsche911GTS'16

I went from a 991.1 C2 cab (PDK) to the 991.1 GTS cab (PDK). Marked differences between the two, as others have noted. In your case, I am not sure you will notice too much difference. I went from 350 hp to 430 hp which was definitely noticeable right off the bat. My GTS also had other things my C2 did not have - PDCC, two chassis settings (I always drive in "sport" chassis setting in both my GTS and GT3T) and the wider rear end (which I prefer to the narrower rear end). I'm not sure I would make the upgrade in your case, given that the S offers chassis settings and is only 30 hp less than the GTS. I agree with others, though, that the GTS will hold its value better going forward as there are a lot fewer of them on the road. It is a car whose whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The sweet spot in the 911 lineup, in terms of all-arounder (even moreso, dare I say, than my Touring).

adcampo

Thanks for everyone's input. I should clarify my objectives which are still forming. More power isn't my primary goal. I'm notorious for pursuing a new car that I love, getting it and then selling it 1 or 2 years down the road. I'm sure many of you on this board can relate.

I love my current car, but I'm just getting the itch for something new. I like the way the GTS looks - interior and exterior. The PDK is an excellent gearbox, but an MT will be different enough to keep me entertained.

I have some concerns about going from any 991.1 to another 991.1. I don't know if I'll notice enough of a difference in power or esthetics. Unless it was a Turbo S or GT3 which are out of my price range at the moment.