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Old 01-27-2019, 10:26 PM
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Jack, very sorry to see what happened to your car. Did you buy it new? When was the last dealer service?
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Old 01-27-2019, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Noah Fect View Post
What in the world was this guy supposed to do with a fire extinguisher?

This situation reminds me of the case with one of the early 991.1s where someone at the Tacoma, WA dealership left a shop rag in a customer's engine bay. When a fire starts in the engine compartment of a 911, you're done for the day. Get everyone out of the car / away from the car, grab your insurance card, and break out the marshmallows.
Exactly. Carrying a small hand fire extinguisher can't hurt, but except for minor fires (perhaps something smoldering under the dash) it probably will not help. My race cars had substantial built-in systems, with multiple nozzles. And when I worked corners for F&C we had big fire extinguishers. Even with those, which can provide a large initial blast of chemical powder, we sometimes could not put car engine fires out.
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:02 PM
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Actually this questions if regular insurance covers this? If your tracking/ DE your Porsche, do you need to alert your insurance co prior? I can see how a insurer would try to skip out on paying out due to tracking?
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:30 PM
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Most regular insurance companies tell you not to go near a track because they will not cover you. You need to buy separate track insurance.
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bkrantz View Post
Exactly. Carrying a small hand fire extinguisher can't hurt, but except for minor fires (perhaps something smoldering under the dash) it probably will not help. My race cars had substantial built-in systems, with multiple nozzles. And when I worked corners for F&C we had big fire extinguishers. Even with those, which can provide a large initial blast of chemical powder, we sometimes could not put car engine fires out.
I imagine there's a case to be made for carrying one so you can assist if someone is trapped in a burning car. Not sure how often that happens though. It's tough to see how it would have been useful here.
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche_nuts View Post
Most regular insurance companies tell you not to go near a track because they will not cover you. You need to buy separate track insurance.
Interesting. Is that offered from the track it PCA? I assume it’s a daily/event policy?
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Old 01-28-2019, 12:26 AM
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Wowza that is crazy. Amazing you made it out alive. Did the car explode at any point?

more importantly, did you do a pre-track day inspection before the event? If so and assuming it was clean because you went on track that might be helpful for your investigations.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:10 AM
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Hey man,
Actually I just had the engine oil changed in mid-December at dealer, and the on Jan-10 the dealer changed the brake oil and did the THROTTLE VALVE cleaning. I wonder if they made some minor mistakes during cleaning the throttle valve.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:11 AM
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insurance doesnt seem to cover my case. sadly
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:03 PM
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i can understand insurance not covering a driver-induced accident at a track but this could have happened anywhere. it doesn't seem related to track activity.
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:03 PM
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Ugh, that's terrible luck. Sympathies.
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:29 PM
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Gentlemen, the reason you have a fire extinguisher in your car on a track day is NOT always to put the fire out in your car, it's there to put out the fire in the car in front of you. Experienced track rats and instructors know that, as the "Car Behind" is there in seconds, the corner workers and track emergency vehicles take minutes. I always keep an extinguisher in my cars on track days...used it once back in 2002 on an E36 BMW that had an engine fire from an oil leak at VIR - at the bottom of Esses.. The owner of the car was grateful, it wasn't a big deal and put, out quickly, I think I was out of my car before he was out of his, I was right behind him and saw him smoking out of the front wheel wells.
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by drcollie View Post
Gentlemen, the reason you have a fire extinguisher in your car on a track day is NOT always to put the fire out in your car, it's there to put out the fire in the car in front of you. Experienced track rats and instructors know that, as the "Car Behind" is there in seconds, the corner workers and track emergency vehicles take minutes. I always keep an extinguisher in my cars on track days...used it once back in 2002 on an E36 BMW that had an engine fire from an oil leak at VIR - at the bottom of Esses.. The owner of the car was grateful, it wasn't a big deal and put, out quickly, I think I was out of my car before he was out of his, I was right behind him and saw him smoking out of the front wheel wells.
I always thought it was just to impress the girls at Cars & Coffee.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit View Post
I always thought it was just to impress the girls at Cars & Coffee.
Girls go to those things?!? Never saw one there that wasn’t accompanied by significant other
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Old 02-01-2019, 02:28 PM
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A "cause and origin" fire expert could help you determine the likely cause of the fire. I am not sure about the laws in China or how they work with this type of thing. I use to work with a large insurance company and many times they would hire a cause and origin expert when dealing with a large loss. You may want to look into that route.
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