P0 Hardness Colder Temps
Is it just me or do the ride on the P0’s seem noticeably harsher as the tempature drops? They were smooth during the summer even at regular pressures, but as the temps (<50) drop seem to ride pretty harshly even at comfort pressures. When I picked the car up in early spring I noticed the same thing but attributed it to new tires. Do the Michelin’s have the same characteristics?
It's not just you. For me the limit on driving on high performance summer tires is around 45 degrees. After that they seem to get too slippery, especially on older smoother asphalt, It makes sense that by 50 degrees you'd be feeling the changes.
This was especially true for the N0 P-Zeros I had on the prior car, I haven't tried it on the newer N1s. I stayed with that when I switched to Michelin P4S's on the prior car. Fortunately it's not too much of a problem for me in Texas. Here are a couple of statements from our good friends at Tire Rack on the subject.
"As ambient temperatures get colder, typically in the 40-45° Fahrenheit range, summer performance tires lose a noticeable percentage of traction as their tread compound rubber properties change from a pliable elastic to inflexible plastic."
And even on the web page for the P4S and other similar tires: Note: "Note: Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle."
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...jsp?techid=273
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+4S
This was especially true for the N0 P-Zeros I had on the prior car, I haven't tried it on the newer N1s. I stayed with that when I switched to Michelin P4S's on the prior car. Fortunately it's not too much of a problem for me in Texas. Here are a couple of statements from our good friends at Tire Rack on the subject.
"As ambient temperatures get colder, typically in the 40-45° Fahrenheit range, summer performance tires lose a noticeable percentage of traction as their tread compound rubber properties change from a pliable elastic to inflexible plastic."
And even on the web page for the P4S and other similar tires: Note: "Note: Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle."
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...jsp?techid=273
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+4S
Last edited by StormRune; Oct 27, 2018 at 10:55 AM.
Actually this can be fun and gives you a chance to learn the handling dynamics of your car.
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Pirelli's tire warranty card explains that cold temps can damage the tire as well: "Rubber compounds formulated for ultra-high performance summer tires can lose flexibility and may develop random surface cracks at temperatures below 45 F. Therefore extra care should be used in handling tires below this temperature. . . ."
Be careful. I drive mine into November here is Pa. Some mornings it's already in the low 40's. I already can feel a difference in driving between early morning and heading home with the temps in the low 50's.
Not worth getting hurt for a set of tires.
Not worth getting hurt for a set of tires.
Is it just me or do the ride on the P0’s seem noticeably harsher as the tempature drops? They were smooth during the summer even at regular pressures, but as the temps (<50) drop seem to ride pretty harshly even at comfort pressures. When I picked the car up in early spring I noticed the same thing but attributed it to new tires. Do the Michelin’s have the same characteristics?
The Pirelli tires are the WORST summer tires I've ever experienced when the temps drop. I've had a ton of cars on different summer tires in the Chicago area and usually can make it until ~Thanksgiving to put my winter rubber on.
The AMs are cold, then it warms up - the Pirellis are completely useless.
My car got it's winter rubber this weekend.
All summer tires get bad but the Pirellis get even worse.





