Apple CarPlay = Future Obsolesene?
10-28-2018, 11:41 AM
#16
tesla
Sounds like you might be a tesla guy, these cars are still pretty analog.
Hi Guys,
Not trying to start a flame war, just start a discussion and educate myself before I buy 1 991.1 or 991.2 (with Apple Car Play). FWIW - I am an "Apple guy." iPhones, iPads, Mac Books, iMac, I've bought it all. However, I am concerned about buying a car with Apple CarPlay... perhaps someone can educate me... my concerns (perhaps unwarranted?):
1. Apple CarPlay will require that I have an Apple device in order to use all of its features/functions
2. Apple CarPlay will require that I continue to upgrade Apple devices I own (or any device -e.g. Droid Phone) in order to use itin the future (as it upgrades its software)
3. I will have to pay for another internet/carrier connection for my car. I have enough of these already...
4. I will be "locked" further into Apple
5. I plan on owning this next 991 for my foreseeable future... will the day come when I need to replace Apple CarPlay in the car because... hey it's Apple... and that's just what they do to get you to buy something new
I kind of like the concept that my car's entertainment system does not have a 3rd party dependency to be operational into the future. I know. I know. I'm not talking about the 8-track player that came in your 70s Chevy that has a media type that is no longer available, but... I have to wonder if the entertainment system in the 991.1 will have longevity that the 991.2 Apple Car Play will not.
Thoughts?
-L76
Not trying to start a flame war, just start a discussion and educate myself before I buy 1 991.1 or 991.2 (with Apple Car Play). FWIW - I am an "Apple guy." iPhones, iPads, Mac Books, iMac, I've bought it all. However, I am concerned about buying a car with Apple CarPlay... perhaps someone can educate me... my concerns (perhaps unwarranted?):
1. Apple CarPlay will require that I have an Apple device in order to use all of its features/functions
2. Apple CarPlay will require that I continue to upgrade Apple devices I own (or any device -e.g. Droid Phone) in order to use itin the future (as it upgrades its software)
3. I will have to pay for another internet/carrier connection for my car. I have enough of these already...
4. I will be "locked" further into Apple
5. I plan on owning this next 991 for my foreseeable future... will the day come when I need to replace Apple CarPlay in the car because... hey it's Apple... and that's just what they do to get you to buy something new
I kind of like the concept that my car's entertainment system does not have a 3rd party dependency to be operational into the future. I know. I know. I'm not talking about the 8-track player that came in your 70s Chevy that has a media type that is no longer available, but... I have to wonder if the entertainment system in the 991.1 will have longevity that the 991.2 Apple Car Play will not.
Thoughts?
-L76
10-28-2018, 11:54 AM
#17
Rennlist Member
I think the OP is missing the point to a certain degree. Every current info system will age ungracefully in short order, but IMO, having Apple car play will slow the obsolescence compared to any manufacturer's system. At least this way, you get hitched to the back of a trillion dollar company that does (mostly) only tech instead of to the clumsy Porsche tech.
10-29-2018, 02:05 PM
#18
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Hi Guys,
Thank you all for the posts... and education (which was what I was looking for). I am actually a software guy. I happen to agree - Germans are AWFUL at computer science, glad Porsche are looking to companies like Apple for solutions in this space. I am looking at the 991.X as probably the last modern day "analog" car I will buy (regrettably). I am not a Tesla "fan" (I guess I read too much Orwell and Huxley in my day to like the concept of having Facebook or Big Brother or Tesla or anyone know my whereabouts and then sell that info to Starbucks ... to better sell me a cup of coffee).
I digress - I also own a 2005 Volvo XC90. Bought it new, and probably looking to replace it soon... it's been a good family hauler... but the infotainment system is via fiber-optics and proprietary. Awful system, and SO proprietary (as it is wired into the car's central computer system) that there is no elegant third party upgrade/path as the system ages. This was my concern on the 991... because I plan on owning the car for a long time. Bluetooth solves a lot of my concerns. But in the end - it sounds like car play isn't something that I will really value... but it won't become obsolete as the remainder of the system still functions independent of CarPlay. Question - are there any recurring fees with CarPlay (or just what I pay my carrier for my existing cell phone)?
Cheers,
L76
Thank you all for the posts... and education (which was what I was looking for). I am actually a software guy. I happen to agree - Germans are AWFUL at computer science, glad Porsche are looking to companies like Apple for solutions in this space. I am looking at the 991.X as probably the last modern day "analog" car I will buy (regrettably). I am not a Tesla "fan" (I guess I read too much Orwell and Huxley in my day to like the concept of having Facebook or Big Brother or Tesla or anyone know my whereabouts and then sell that info to Starbucks ... to better sell me a cup of coffee).
I digress - I also own a 2005 Volvo XC90. Bought it new, and probably looking to replace it soon... it's been a good family hauler... but the infotainment system is via fiber-optics and proprietary. Awful system, and SO proprietary (as it is wired into the car's central computer system) that there is no elegant third party upgrade/path as the system ages. This was my concern on the 991... because I plan on owning the car for a long time. Bluetooth solves a lot of my concerns. But in the end - it sounds like car play isn't something that I will really value... but it won't become obsolete as the remainder of the system still functions independent of CarPlay. Question - are there any recurring fees with CarPlay (or just what I pay my carrier for my existing cell phone)?
Cheers,
L76
10-29-2018, 02:11 PM
#20
Rennlist Member
Car Play just uses the smarts and data directly from your phone, so no extra charges there unless that causes you to run over a data limit on your plan.
Another aside. My 2015 F150 King Ranch is loaded with what Ford thought were the latest goodies of 2015, including Microsoft Sync. You'd think Sync would still work a mere 3 years later, but NO! Support for it was discontinued so all of the Sync services on the truck are worthless.
Another aside. My 2015 F150 King Ranch is loaded with what Ford thought were the latest goodies of 2015, including Microsoft Sync. You'd think Sync would still work a mere 3 years later, but NO! Support for it was discontinued so all of the Sync services on the truck are worthless.
10-29-2018, 06:54 PM
#21
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by L76
Hi Guys,
Thank you all for the posts... and education (which was what I was looking for). I am actually a software guy. I happen to agree - Germans are AWFUL at computer science, glad Porsche are looking to companies like Apple for solutions in this space. I am looking at the 991.X as probably the last modern day "analog" car I will buy (regrettably). I am not a Tesla "fan" (I guess I read too much Orwell and Huxley in my day to like the concept of having Facebook or Big Brother or Tesla or anyone know my whereabouts and then sell that info to Starbucks ... to better sell me a cup of coffee).
I digress - I also own a 2005 Volvo XC90. Bought it new, and probably looking to replace it soon... it's been a good family hauler... but the infotainment system is via fiber-optics and proprietary. Awful system, and SO proprietary (as it is wired into the car's central computer system) that there is no elegant third party upgrade/path as the system ages. This was my concern on the 991... because I plan on owning the car for a long time. Bluetooth solves a lot of my concerns. But in the end - it sounds like car play isn't something that I will really value... but it won't become obsolete as the remainder of the system still functions independent of CarPlay. Question - are there any recurring fees with CarPlay (or just what I pay my carrier for my existing cell phone)?
Cheers,
L76
Thank you all for the posts... and education (which was what I was looking for). I am actually a software guy. I happen to agree - Germans are AWFUL at computer science, glad Porsche are looking to companies like Apple for solutions in this space. I am looking at the 991.X as probably the last modern day "analog" car I will buy (regrettably). I am not a Tesla "fan" (I guess I read too much Orwell and Huxley in my day to like the concept of having Facebook or Big Brother or Tesla or anyone know my whereabouts and then sell that info to Starbucks ... to better sell me a cup of coffee).
I digress - I also own a 2005 Volvo XC90. Bought it new, and probably looking to replace it soon... it's been a good family hauler... but the infotainment system is via fiber-optics and proprietary. Awful system, and SO proprietary (as it is wired into the car's central computer system) that there is no elegant third party upgrade/path as the system ages. This was my concern on the 991... because I plan on owning the car for a long time. Bluetooth solves a lot of my concerns. But in the end - it sounds like car play isn't something that I will really value... but it won't become obsolete as the remainder of the system still functions independent of CarPlay. Question - are there any recurring fees with CarPlay (or just what I pay my carrier for my existing cell phone)?
Cheers,
L76
10-29-2018, 09:21 PM
#22
Rennlist Member
And $20 a month unlimited data if you are a heavier data user... which for most people is only likely if you frequently drive and use the Google Maps with satellite imagery, which is live-streamed to the car as you go into new areas not already cached. Out of curiosity, I looked at the data usage on my account and I've used about 0.4GB with maybe 5-6 hours of driving in this billing period while using Google Maps with imagery.
10-30-2018, 02:25 AM
#23
Rennlist Member
My 991 has no carplay, and I still do all of the above. I just connect the phone through the USB cable, and have it mounted next to the PCM so that I can use Amazon Music, Podcasts, etc. through my phone. When I use waze on the phone, it displays on the phone, next to the PCM screen.
So, no worries, you're fine.
So, no worries, you're fine.
10-30-2018, 03:43 AM
#24
Racer
Hey guys,
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
10-30-2018, 05:43 AM
#25
Rennlist Member
Hey guys,
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
10-30-2018, 11:16 AM
#26
Rennlist Member
Hey guys,
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
However, if you are doing longer drives using it as an active hotspot your new phone's battery will decrease much more quickly since it has to actively maintain the data connection to the cell towers and the old phone continuously. At that point you'd need to plug the new phone in anyway just to keep it from draining too much.
10-30-2018, 11:39 AM
#27
Rennlist Member
Hey guys,
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
Can I use my old 6s plus to plug into the car and use my new iPhone to hotspot connection to the 6s for CarPlay?
i don’t want to unplug and plug in the phone each time I get in the car.
also if I don’t opt for the smoking package do I then have no dc plug for charging other things?
10-30-2018, 01:38 PM
#28
Racer
I just remembered your other question: In the 991.2, without the smoking package there is only one other 12V outlet and it is found on the upper left side of the passenger footwell. There is a USB port for charging in the glovebox and one for charging and CarPlay in the armrest. The 991.1 had another 12v outlet in the armrest.
Besides adding a 12v socket I guess I can pass since there’s a socket by the footwell!
👍
10-30-2018, 03:31 PM
#29
Car play will only work for one phone at a time.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the question. The old 6S will be the “live” phone so unless you still have it hooked up to the cell network you won’t be able to use calling functions. Don’t even think about BT with the current phone and CarPlay when active overrides all other connections with other devices. In addition texting functions will likely be more difficult than if you simply plugged your current phone in.
Likely you can hotspot the old phone to your current one but frankly it’s not all that hard to just plug your current phone in every time you step into the car. I too wish Porsche has wireless car play like BWM does but alas they don’t.
The carplay port port will keep the phone charged.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the question. The old 6S will be the “live” phone so unless you still have it hooked up to the cell network you won’t be able to use calling functions. Don’t even think about BT with the current phone and CarPlay when active overrides all other connections with other devices. In addition texting functions will likely be more difficult than if you simply plugged your current phone in.
Likely you can hotspot the old phone to your current one but frankly it’s not all that hard to just plug your current phone in every time you step into the car. I too wish Porsche has wireless car play like BWM does but alas they don’t.
The carplay port port will keep the phone charged.
10-30-2018, 05:42 PM
#30
Racer
Car play will only work for one phone at a time.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the question. The old 6S will be the “live” phone so unless you still have it hooked up to the cell network you won’t be able to use calling functions. Don’t even think about BT with the current phone and CarPlay when active overrides all other connections with other devices. In addition texting functions will likely be more difficult than if you simply plugged your current phone in.
Likely you can hotspot the old phone to your current one but frankly it’s not all that hard to just plug your current phone in every time you step into the car. I too wish Porsche has wireless car play like BWM does but alas they don’t.
The carplay port port will keep the phone charged.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the question. The old 6S will be the “live” phone so unless you still have it hooked up to the cell network you won’t be able to use calling functions. Don’t even think about BT with the current phone and CarPlay when active overrides all other connections with other devices. In addition texting functions will likely be more difficult than if you simply plugged your current phone in.
Likely you can hotspot the old phone to your current one but frankly it’s not all that hard to just plug your current phone in every time you step into the car. I too wish Porsche has wireless car play like BWM does but alas they don’t.
The carplay port port will keep the phone charged.
I guess I can still use it the way I was thinking if I sync my i message with my phone and use my google voice number to call out.
I hope the center console can fit 2 iphones so i can choose which one to plug in.
Thanks for all the help.