Warning: Long post ahead...

I have two young boys (4 and 6) and currently have a Macan GTS - I know, the perfect family car why I am looking at 911s?

We also have a 2018 GTi as a second car but we are always in the Porsche "cause its a suv" and thats how families get around. The Porsche is owned and GTi is leased which annoys me even more as we should put the miles and wear+tear on the leased car. I actually enjoy driving the GTi is a great car to zip around the city in.

I also love my Macan GTS however its not as special to drive when its the daily driver / kid hauler / grocery getter. I just enjoy driving it to work and going to the rinks. I want to get back to having a sportier car and get my wife the family truck (we used to have a S4/ Q5 combo which was a better setup in hindsight). Will transfer lease on GTi and get another Q3/Q5/X2/Tiguan, whatever good lease deal I can find on a small or mid sized suv.

Here is how I came to a 991.2 4s (long road):

Seeing a few F80 M3s decked out with all the carbon exterior bits and MPE exhaust (we have these Ultimate packages in Canada) gave me the itch to get a sportscar - something evenful to drive. This an almost perfect package, no mods necessary. Just missing 4wd which is not such an issue in Toronto but can be handy 4-5 times a year. Started looking at those but I am too late, no more orders and only CS edition are incoming. These are MSRP 117k vs base price of 80k and used M3s are not doing terribly well on the market. CS huge risk as I buy and sell after 2 years and dont want to get burned on depreciation - so far I've been doing fantastic in this regard.

Naturally considered new RS5, with incoming sportback makes the perfect 4wd + 4 doors sportscar. I drove the 2 door and was not very impressed (not 110k impressed). Had 14 S4, this one is not worth 2x the price. Plastic dash turned me off (Im such a snob now with my leather dash). Exhaust not loud enough even with their 5k option.

C63s is refreshed for 2019 with better transmission but I can't afford the depreciation on an AMG. Just tanks. Can probably get a great discount on in stock 18 but only sometimes Im drawn to them, dont really dream about owning one. Would likely have buyers remorse after a few months.

I've been following the 4GTS used market (both .1 and .2) since I got my Macan just to see how they do (semi dream car - new is way over budget) Prices are still too high. They dont seem to move either but still too high for me to low ball. Saw a very interesting 4S which made me look at 17s with very low mileage. A few nice cars have come up but one in particular. This would still be more expensive than all other options but I can project better values in 2 years which gives me a lower cost of ownership than even a CS.

So even if I can get a good price for a .2 4S speccd to my liking
1) Is it even semi practical hauling 2 kids around in a 911? I have heard 991 is much better. Both boys in boosters. My only obligations are morning school drop off and hockey. I am at hockey rinks 7 days a week and most of the time would be in the 911. All my cars have roof racks and this one would be no different but will I get tired of hauling gear in a Thule roof box on a 911?
2) I feel like Im compromising with an S vs GTS (I never considered the Macan S, only GTS) will this bug me too much? Price delta is 30-40k equivalent basis. There are nicely optionned 4S available (SPASM, sport, etc etc) which I find appealing, CPO with <10k miles. ProbIem is I couldnt care less for older 4S even 991.1 4S, I wouldnt want this one to lose its appeal over time. I cant stretch to GTS, Im already 20-30k over the other options not stretching it more.

I've driven the 991.2 4S at the track (Mosport/CTMP) with Porsche last year. Sound department was lacking, it would need sport cats or whatever else to get an acceptable sound out of it.

My thought process is negocatiate a great deal on .2 4S thats been sitting with inflated original MSRP so that I can get out with limited damage after a year. Hopefully I'll like it and keep it for longer.

Any input from those that have been through this is welcome.

 

Read this thread about pricing, and others as well, to help answer some of your questions: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9651...aled-deal.html

And you can get roof racks.

 

I read thru the OP, and did not see any why a 4S Is preferred over a 2S. Did I miss something? Please elaborate...

 

Lives in Canada....... the Artic North

 

With a Rhino rack for some heavy hauling

 

Yes that is mostly for price checks, Ill post there when I get to that point. Im aware I can get the roof racks, wondering if anyone else thought it was a good idea for almost daily use and then regretted it...

The wife's condition is 4 doors or 4wd (or both).

 

If I had to haul hockey gear 7 days a week I'd be sticking with something more practical, or shipping the kids off to boarding school.

You might miss the GTI. My daily driver is a Golf R and there are things I like about it better than my 911.

I used to daily drive/Canadian winter drive sports cars and it was fun when I was a teen and in my early 20's but now with a family I can't understand it... My wife's Kia minivan is two years old with 80,000 km on it and the interior looks like a war zone with our 2 and 4 year old, lol.

 

 

The Golf R is a good vehicle. Cheap HP, with a piggyback tune I'm at close to 350 HP. Lots of folks with 400+ HP and very little cost to get there.

If I didn't have winter to contend with, I wouldn't buy one, though. If you're in the Bay Area like your profile says, I'd strongly recommend just getting a GTI if you're still wanting a smaller hatchback type of car.

We have two car seats in each vehicle, including the 911... the Golf R's back seat room is not that much better than the 911 frankly. It *looks* like there is more room, but depending on seating position, you may lose any advantage the Golf might have had. Also, our stroller does not fit in the Golf unless you remove the cargo cover and place the stroller up on its side. Just something to consider. I haven't tried to fit the stroller in the 911 as I know it just won't fit!

 

Maitre_Absolut - so you plan to drive it in Winter weather? Why not get a cheap beater for Winter?
The price difference between a C2S and a C4S would pay all or a good portion of what a Winter beater would cost...

 

Sure seems to me the 'thrill' of having a 911 would wear off with your life style. My sister is in town and we went to get BBQ tonight (in my .2 C2S), she lives in Chicago and we both agreed we couldn't see the fun in having a 911 for city commuting with pot holes and no time to take it out into country where they can really be enjoyed. Do you get to enjoy weekend trips or Porsche Club drives. Obviously this is totally subjective to our life styles and work schedules. You can get an awesome used Panamera and have four doors, more comfort and still incredible performance and handling when you do have time to get a way. It takes an incredibly talented driver to push a Panamera beyond its limits.
You talk about budget and stretching on the cost. The thought processes being what can you sell it for in two years? Why, would you be bored with it? Reading your thread it just 'seems' to me, and of course my view has no weight, the 911 wouldn't be the best choice. Yes a C4S is awesome in snow and is not that much slower than a GTS that it would matter driving to the hockey rink. So if it all comes down to resale then it seems you are living in the future. Don't get me wrong, I always own a car with the intention of holding as much value as possible, for example if my joy of the car wears or something in my life changes, but I achieve the best resale by taking immaculate care of my cars. Driving on salty roads and hauling kids it seems would make that goal for me a hard one.

 

 

 

 

I dont like big cars (i.e. panamera) and prefer my Macan GTS to it anyways so thats off the table. Regarding resale, as someone who buys (and takes extremely good care of his toys) its the only financial variable that matters. I like knowing that my cars cost me next to nothing (relative terms), sort of a game I play. Buy low, sell high. If only I can play the market like I do cars!

My GTS is in pristine condition even though its the main family hauler. All sorts of protection inside for the child seats and backside of front seats. Its just alot of effort though.

We have 2 cars, don't need a 3rd. Combined we do maybe 20k km / year. I should point out that only on weekdays do I need to go to rinks with my car and that is only with one child. Weekend family stuff would still be in the Q5 or whatever else we replace the GTI with.