How to nail a 1-2 shift 7MT?
#16
Three Wheelin'
1-2 in virtually any MT is difficult. Its just timing. Redline shifts everywhere else are butter!
#17
It really is a difficult gear change for whatever reason. I'm ashamed to admit that I've actually ground gears between 1-2, but never with any other gear changes. I've been spoiled by the sublime setup in Honda S2000's, though. This gearbox, while very good, just doesn't come remotely close to that.
It does seem to be smoother/easier if you're just in normal mode and not Sport or Sport+ - could just be placebo effect.
It does seem to be smoother/easier if you're just in normal mode and not Sport or Sport+ - could just be placebo effect.
#18
Rennlist Member
I am also running the numeric racing shifter with Function First weighted ****. My shifter feel has become worlds better than stock.
#20
It is not, however, common to all high performance MT cars. The 1-2 redline speed shifts in my 1994 6-liter 6-speed Pontiac GTO, for example, were pieces of cake, even with 400 hp and 400 ftlbs of torque,
As an aging early 60's vintage hot rodder with fifty-eight years of speed-shifting experience, I am just a bit disappointed with this aspect of Porsche transmission design.
Last edited by verstraete; 07-11-2018 at 08:49 PM.
#21
Rennlist Member
It will get better with time. And your muscle memory will improve.
I rarely accelerate very hard out of 1st. Brisk, yes. But not really hard. To me 1st is just to get going.
In the 991.1 in Sport Plus we get a slight blip to help up shifts too. Makes it smoother. Not sure how that is on the .2s.
The manual 7 takes several thousand miles to loosen up. Give it time.
I rarely accelerate very hard out of 1st. Brisk, yes. But not really hard. To me 1st is just to get going.
In the 991.1 in Sport Plus we get a slight blip to help up shifts too. Makes it smoother. Not sure how that is on the .2s.
The manual 7 takes several thousand miles to loosen up. Give it time.
And I agree about muscle memory. The shift action did not seem inutive at first. Not bad, just different.
#23
Three Wheelin'
Unless you're a pro-stock drag racer, you're over thinking the subject. How often will you do a full throttle, redline 1-2 shift? That's what dual clutch launch control is for.
Admittedly, my 911.2 GTS MT has smoothed out noticeably now that I have ~2.6k miles on the clock. I've been driving manual transmissions for many, many years and have found that each car has it's unique feeling and you need to adapt your technique to accommodate it. Once you've "bonded" it's pure joy.
Admittedly, my 911.2 GTS MT has smoothed out noticeably now that I have ~2.6k miles on the clock. I've been driving manual transmissions for many, many years and have found that each car has it's unique feeling and you need to adapt your technique to accommodate it. Once you've "bonded" it's pure joy.
#24
Rennlist Member
Yes, mine started out stiff as well, and that's expected. With 10K on the odometer, it is smooth as silk. My main problem early on was hitting the rev limiter a few times. I wish there was a heads-up display available. I have a C2 and can't imagine keeping a MT "S" off of the limiter.
Last edited by Dan Nagy; 07-13-2018 at 03:35 PM.
#25
The MT is 100% better/smoother going from 1-2 in the 991.2 than in my previous 997.2. This after only 800 miles on the odometer. I expect it will get even better as it breaks in.
#26
Burning Brakes
Unless you're a pro-stock drag racer, you're over thinking the subject. How often will you do a full throttle, redline 1-2 shift? That's what dual clutch launch control is for.
Admittedly, my 911.2 GTS MT has smoothed out noticeably now that I have ~2.6k miles on the clock. I've been driving manual transmissions for many, many years and have found that each car has it's unique feeling and you need to adapt your technique to accommodate it. Once you've "bonded" it's pure joy.
Admittedly, my 911.2 GTS MT has smoothed out noticeably now that I have ~2.6k miles on the clock. I've been driving manual transmissions for many, many years and have found that each car has it's unique feeling and you need to adapt your technique to accommodate it. Once you've "bonded" it's pure joy.
#27
Pro
To me, it seems like the engine drops a lot of rpm between the 1-2 shift, especially if you are just lollygagging in traffic. I blame a light flywheel. Seems my shifts are smoother if I rev higher and shift faster.
If driving like a pedestrian, I skip gears when in normal slow traffic.
1-3-5-7 to loaf along at 50 mph.
If driving like a pedestrian, I skip gears when in normal slow traffic.
1-3-5-7 to loaf along at 50 mph.
#28
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Today I noticed during higher load upshifting from 1 to 2, the revs continue to climb for a very brief moment even after you let go of the accelerator and depress the clutch (its like the engine holds on to some momentum). You need to have a sloow clutch release, and ROLL back into the throttle to keep the revs stationary while you engage 2nd...otherwise it grabs 2nd too early and the engine briefly cuts power, resulting in a jerk...
Slow clutch release with gentle roll into the throttle immediately after the revs start coming down seems to be the way to nail the 1-2 shift.... for me. When you nail it, its like a slingshot. Truly rewarding!!
PS. This shift cannot be done as quickly as the other gears. 2-7 shift as smooth as the pdk, at least with rev match on. I can do it myself but its like molasses in comparison.
Slow clutch release with gentle roll into the throttle immediately after the revs start coming down seems to be the way to nail the 1-2 shift.... for me. When you nail it, its like a slingshot. Truly rewarding!!
PS. This shift cannot be done as quickly as the other gears. 2-7 shift as smooth as the pdk, at least with rev match on. I can do it myself but its like molasses in comparison.
#29
Pro
Today I noticed during higher load upshifting from 1 to 2, the revs continue to climb for a very brief moment even after you let go of the accelerator and depress the clutch (its like the engine holds on to some momentum). You need to have a sloow clutch release, and ROLL back into the throttle to keep the revs stationary while you engage 2nd...otherwise it grabs 2nd too early and the engine briefly cuts power, resulting in a jerk...
Slow clutch release with gentle roll into the throttle immediately after the revs start coming down seems to be the way to nail the 1-2 shift.... for me. When you nail it, its like a slingshot. Truly rewarding!!
PS. This shift cannot be done as quickly as the other gears. 2-7 shift as smooth as the pdk, at least with rev match on. I can do it myself but its like molasses in comparison.
Slow clutch release with gentle roll into the throttle immediately after the revs start coming down seems to be the way to nail the 1-2 shift.... for me. When you nail it, its like a slingshot. Truly rewarding!!
PS. This shift cannot be done as quickly as the other gears. 2-7 shift as smooth as the pdk, at least with rev match on. I can do it myself but its like molasses in comparison.
#30
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Good point. Maybe im rolling into the throttle too slowly. Or maybe the clutch (and my foot) just needs to break in more