2015 991.1C4 vs 2017 991.2
06-17-2018, 11:06 PM
#46
Referenced here in one of the many previous 1 vs 2 threads) was one magazine which tested a manual vert .2 base at 12.3-12.4 seconds and 114/115 MPH. That exact mag got a .1 vert manual at 12.7 seconds and 112/113 MPH (can’t remember exact figures but numbers were around there for both cars). Can’t get more equal “non cherry picking” than that.
That’s why aside from something as direct from that, the only way to get a fair comparison is finding the *best* times for both cars. Cherry picking is finding a slow time for one and a fast time for another. Conditions, transmissions, techniques all vary widely. Best vs best is always the fairest scenario.
That’s why aside from something as direct from that, the only way to get a fair comparison is finding the *best* times for both cars. Cherry picking is finding a slow time for one and a fast time for another. Conditions, transmissions, techniques all vary widely. Best vs best is always the fairest scenario.
Either way the .1 base shows it's going to be exponentially faster. I'm talking same track same day. Lets go.
06-17-2018, 11:09 PM
#47
The truth shall set you free....
Ok, and the best/consistent PDK times of each show the same variance. Lol. 115 MPH trap for the .1 base, and 118 MPH trap for the .2 base are the best posted PDK times I’ve seen.
Are you even reading what you're saying? They are both manuals. A fair comparison is PDK. There too much variance in 2 different manual cars and two different drivers.. Hello?
Either way the .1 base shows it's going to be exponentially faster. I'm talking same track same day. Lets go.
Either way the .1 base shows it's going to be exponentially faster. I'm talking same track same day. Lets go.
06-17-2018, 11:18 PM
#48
You're showing me 2 different cars on 2 different days driven by 2 different drivers bud. You posting these small digits acting like 3 seconds or 3 MPH is not a big difference but those are train lengths. Far from the truth! You're also posting the BEST lap time for the .1 S which is a PRESS VIDEO UPLOADED BY PORSCHE WITH THEIR BEST DRIVER! Trollololololol. Cherry picking as I mentioned.
Either way, you have not spent seat time in both. All you choose to do is ignore the .2 strengths in all other categories and lie to yourself about lap times and MPH but the truth is in front of you.
You're stuck in your .1 while I'm someone whose owned both and driven both.. Why would I lie? It's almost unfair how much better and faster the .2 car is.
The .2 is exhilarating while the .1 is lazy unless you're in gear at 6k rpms looking like a retard.
Either way, you have not spent seat time in both. All you choose to do is ignore the .2 strengths in all other categories and lie to yourself about lap times and MPH but the truth is in front of you.
You're stuck in your .1 while I'm someone whose owned both and driven both.. Why would I lie? It's almost unfair how much better and faster the .2 car is.
The .2 is exhilarating while the .1 is lazy unless you're in gear at 6k rpms looking like a retard.
06-17-2018, 11:21 PM
#49
Guys stay calm.
I own a .1 myself but I kind of have to agree if you're going for the awd, 3.4 might not really be the peppiest, since the awd does add a bit of weight.
I own a .1 myself but I kind of have to agree if you're going for the awd, 3.4 might not really be the peppiest, since the awd does add a bit of weight.
[facepalm]
06-17-2018, 11:25 PM
#51
Yeah, I like the 3.4 with RWD, but AWD imo isn’t ideal for the powerband. AWD in a performance element is most useful with high torque cars. Cars with ascending powerbands feel most fit with RWD.
06-18-2018, 12:40 AM
#52
It's cool that you dig the plusses of the 991.1 and it works well for you... it's a great car... but I don't want to leave the statement above stand without some rebuttal.
It was easy to find results from two of the most widely-read and reputable magazines out there that are well beyond your claims above. Granted these types of numbers aren't the most important things about the 911, but here are those articles just for the record.
Carrera
"It’s a full second quicker to 60 mph than the last base Carrera we tested"
Car & Driver: 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, ¼ mile in 11.9 at 118
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ra-test-review
Carrera S
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, ¼ mile in 11.5 at 120
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...911-carrera-s/
And the bottom line with regard to power is: You really can easily feel the difference in the seat of your pants... it's not just numbers.
It was easy to find results from two of the most widely-read and reputable magazines out there that are well beyond your claims above. Granted these types of numbers aren't the most important things about the 911, but here are those articles just for the record.
Carrera
"It’s a full second quicker to 60 mph than the last base Carrera we tested"
Car & Driver: 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, ¼ mile in 11.9 at 118
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ra-test-review
Carrera S
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, ¼ mile in 11.5 at 120
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...911-carrera-s/
And the bottom line with regard to power is: You really can easily feel the difference in the seat of your pants... it's not just numbers.
Some interesting quotes
"The last naturally aspirated 911 PDK we strapped our test gear to was a 2015 GTS, which hit 60 mph in 3.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 11.9 seconds at 118 mph. The 2017 Carrera beats its zero-to-60-mph time by 0.2 second and matches its quarter-mile performance exactly.
"On the skidpad, the new rear-drive Carrera pulled a serious 1.06 g, a number that bests the all-wheel-drive 2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO. The 2012 base Carrera we tested managed only 0.98 g—impressive to be sure, but some ways down the ladder."
"Since the introduction of the Boxster—and especially since the Cayman appeared a decade ago—the base Carrera has been something of a why-bother car. If you were shopping for a 911, the Carrera S was the obvious choice. If you just wanted something with a flat-six, the Boxster and Cayman offered as much elemental Porsche goodness as the pricier Carrera."
"Those who complain that everything was better when the 911 lacked a radiator won’t be swayed by the 991.2. But we’d be hard pressed to argue that this latest 911 isn’t just the best water-cooled car ever to wear the Carrera badge, it’s a helluva performance machine in its own right. Frankly, it’s all the 911 most folks will ever need."
I'm sure a test drive at a local dealer will clear it up pretty quickly
Last edited by groundhog; 06-18-2018 at 01:18 AM.
06-18-2018, 02:52 AM
#54
Good one groundhog. That quote took the words right out of my mouth about the Boxster/Cayman.
To those who are uninformed. The amount of car space/gap in 0.3 seconds and a few MPH is huge and a lot larger than you'd imagine. The 370hp .2 being quicker than the 430hp GTS .1 is plenty of proof to demonstrate how much stronger the. 2 is.
Im not trying to say that the base. 2 is fast, but rather that the .1 is slow(mainly the base). Compared to driving a .2 any .1 Carrera feels very slow and lazy. People who buy a base .1 today are shopping the car for an image and looks (theres nothing wrong with that).
If anyone takes these posts in a "I'm richer than you" or "You are jealous"... I'm truly sorry but you're mistaken. Just facts here and nothing else
To those who are uninformed. The amount of car space/gap in 0.3 seconds and a few MPH is huge and a lot larger than you'd imagine. The 370hp .2 being quicker than the 430hp GTS .1 is plenty of proof to demonstrate how much stronger the. 2 is.
Im not trying to say that the base. 2 is fast, but rather that the .1 is slow(mainly the base). Compared to driving a .2 any .1 Carrera feels very slow and lazy. People who buy a base .1 today are shopping the car for an image and looks (theres nothing wrong with that).
If anyone takes these posts in a "I'm richer than you" or "You are jealous"... I'm truly sorry but you're mistaken. Just facts here and nothing else
06-18-2018, 04:01 AM
#55
FYI since the “driver excuse” was brought up re: ring times:
The driver of the 7.34 .2 S also drove a manual GT4 to a 7.41. A .1 S with PDK is faster around every track than the 385 HP GT4 (probably mostly thanks to its manual trans), and being that his GT4 time was “only” 7 seconds slower than his PDK .2 S time, I’d say a 7.37 time would be realistic for him as well behind the wheel of a .1 S.
The driver of the 7.34 .2 S also drove a manual GT4 to a 7.41. A .1 S with PDK is faster around every track than the 385 HP GT4 (probably mostly thanks to its manual trans), and being that his GT4 time was “only” 7 seconds slower than his PDK .2 S time, I’d say a 7.37 time would be realistic for him as well behind the wheel of a .1 S.
06-18-2018, 05:42 AM
#56
Originally Posted by tse
Exactly, the .2s are hypersonic when compared to the .1s let alone the 997s...
I think a mass car-per bombing over NK is in order! Win-win to eliminate them nukes, and turbos, for good!
All kidding aside, the cars are close and, as many pointed out buy based on preference not times...
06-18-2018, 06:26 AM
#57
"The last naturally aspirated 911 PDK we strapped our test gear to was a 2015 GTS, which hit 60 mph in 3.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 11.9 seconds at 118 mph. The 2017 Carrera beats its zero-to-60-mph time by 0.2 second and matches its quarter-mile performance exactly.
Not trying to be antagonistic but the the difference appear very large
I agree that people should buy what moves them - but the performance differences appear very significant
06-18-2018, 06:48 AM
#58
FYI since the “driver excuse” was brought up re: ring times:
The driver of the 7.34 .2 S also drove a manual GT4 to a 7.41. A .1 S with PDK is faster around every track than the 385 HP GT4 (probably mostly thanks to its manual trans), and being that his GT4 time was “only” 7 seconds slower than his PDK .2 S time, I’d say a 7.37 time would be realistic for him as well behind the wheel of a .1 S.
The driver of the 7.34 .2 S also drove a manual GT4 to a 7.41. A .1 S with PDK is faster around every track than the 385 HP GT4 (probably mostly thanks to its manual trans), and being that his GT4 time was “only” 7 seconds slower than his PDK .2 S time, I’d say a 7.37 time would be realistic for him as well behind the wheel of a .1 S.
06-18-2018, 07:14 AM
#59
All I can say is that when the 992 comes out it will be epic and my wife will be even more annoyed with me.
A win win for sure...
06-18-2018, 07:17 AM
#60
The 992.2 is the one you're looking for. You're welcome.