What does it take for 991.2 GTS to Match GT3
06-17-2018, 11:25 PM
#76
Well for one thing it has a true dry sump with a separate pressurized oil reservoir so extended track use won't begin to wear out your internals with the integrated solution at the high-g loads that those stickier tires are capable of.
The GTS won't have problems running a few track days here and there, but it's just not designed for regular track use.
The GTS won't have problems running a few track days here and there, but it's just not designed for regular track use.
06-18-2018, 12:31 AM
#77
Why? the OP wanted know how to beat his buddy. The easiest way to do this is by becoming a better driver and the easiest way to become a better driver is through high performance driver training. Driver training is a "modification" as it modifies a drivers behaviours and timing. This makes you both safer and faster and is transferable. 
This is the answer you will always get from people that know what they are talking about and this is the answer you will get from every track instructor worth his salt.
This is the answer you will always get from people that know what they are talking about and this is the answer you will get from every track instructor worth his salt.
06-18-2018, 01:03 AM
#78
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/po...rs-track-cars/
track you car car whether it’s a Mazda, GTS or GT3. Have fun.
You want to apply mods, knock yourself out.
GTS has every right to be on the track. IMO - The OP will have the same speed on the track in the GTS as he does in a GT3.
track you car car whether it’s a Mazda, GTS or GT3. Have fun.
You want to apply mods, knock yourself out.
GTS has every right to be on the track. IMO - The OP will have the same speed on the track in the GTS as he does in a GT3.
06-18-2018, 01:55 AM
#79
I mean sure yeah. Everyone should take their cars to the track. I’ve taken mine to the track. Nothing wrong with that, everyone should get a feel for how their car handles in that sort of environment. But if you want to make it a regular thing and start worrying about your lap times and that sort of thing, just do yourself a favor and buy the tool that was designed for it. It’s the GT3.
06-18-2018, 02:41 AM
#80
I guess we should all just sell our Porsches and downgrade to Miatas and hit the track with the instructors until we're worthy of having cars that are too much for us to handle at our current skill level. Because lord knows there's no point in having a Porsche as long you can't even max out the potential of a Miata.
06-18-2018, 03:30 AM
#81
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I would like to know the secret sauce as well.
What does this have to do with anything? It's like telling a GT3 owner there's nothing he can do to be twin turbo boosting at 19PSI.
A GTS with a tune would wax any GT3 in any type of straight line pull, especially at top speed. There are tuners out there working and finding more power beyond the GTS redline. Obviously since it's in its infant stages they don't know whether or not it's going to last. Revving to 9k may result in a spun bearing.. Then again.. 9000rpms has nothing to do with this debate.
Here's the recipe.
-Upgraded brakes if you don't have PCCB.
-Same tire spec as GT3
-Mild tune(probably not even necessary)
-Aero
-Upgraded control arms to dial in a proper suspension setup. You can most likely slap on GT3 suspension bits to keep it OEM.
Please inform me of any secret sauce the GT3 has that I'm unaware of.
A GTS with a tune would wax any GT3 in any type of straight line pull, especially at top speed. There are tuners out there working and finding more power beyond the GTS redline. Obviously since it's in its infant stages they don't know whether or not it's going to last. Revving to 9k may result in a spun bearing.. Then again.. 9000rpms has nothing to do with this debate.
Here's the recipe.
-Upgraded brakes if you don't have PCCB.
-Same tire spec as GT3
-Mild tune(probably not even necessary)
-Aero
-Upgraded control arms to dial in a proper suspension setup. You can most likely slap on GT3 suspension bits to keep it OEM.
Please inform me of any secret sauce the GT3 has that I'm unaware of.
I believe I am a slightly better driver than my friend. He has a Manual GT3, and I have a PDK GTS. I have done plenty of driving courses. It was more about hardware. I won't upset anyone anymore, I will keep my mods to my self.
Just PM me if you want to know.
06-18-2018, 03:36 AM
#82
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Am I only allowed to have one?
06-18-2018, 04:40 AM
#83
06-18-2018, 04:43 AM
#84
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06-18-2018, 04:47 AM
#85
06-18-2018, 06:07 AM
#86
Here's the ultimate sneaky mod -
(1) Replace the front and rear Brembo brakes and rotors with PFC brakes and rotors (this is easy - they're the ones used on the 991 Cup)
(2) Now you have done this you can clear 18 inch track wheels wrapped in yokohama race rubber (or Michellin equivalent)
Just tell him you wanted a set of track wheels as you didn't want to damage your dailys).
As long as it's not wet you'll demolish your friend (and assuming you're at about the same level and have some track experience)
(1) Replace the front and rear Brembo brakes and rotors with PFC brakes and rotors (this is easy - they're the ones used on the 991 Cup)
(2) Now you have done this you can clear 18 inch track wheels wrapped in yokohama race rubber (or Michellin equivalent)
Just tell him you wanted a set of track wheels as you didn't want to damage your dailys).
As long as it's not wet you'll demolish your friend (and assuming you're at about the same level and have some track experience)
06-18-2018, 06:28 AM
#87
But the biggest difference is the GT3 is NA that redlines at 9000 rpm. Nothing you do to a GTS will make it drive like a GT3.
I’ve no doubt that with a few tweaks you could make a GTS equal or exceed a GT3 in most performance metrics but I agree it will be a very different experience: keeping a NA motor in its high-rpm powerband vs. using the wider torque spread of a turbo engine. Both fulfilling but in contrasting ways. I think Porsche have done a good job with the Carreras’ engines by making their character more NA than the turbo in the Turbo but it’s a tough comparison with one of the best NA engines in the world in the GT3.
Adding one of these to a GTS would probably do it and there’s always Stage 2 and 3 if that doesn’t satisfy.
06-18-2018, 07:27 PM
#88
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Actually a part of me would enjoy the kitted up GTS more than the gt3 haha, that torque is an incredibly advantageous monster on most courses, and with those kind of serious suspension mods...I'm betting it would throw down some pretty badass times...
06-18-2018, 07:33 PM
#89
I’m the opposite, if I got a GT3 I’d want to be at the track trying to improve my lines but with the GTS I’d just leave it stock and cruise the canyon roads.
06-18-2018, 08:21 PM
#90
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I am sure that the GTS is more than capable and in fact in certain tests is faster 0-60 than the GT3, however there are not many GT3 drivers that care much about 0-60 times. What you will never experience is managing the torque that the GT3 creates in the 6k-9k range. It's is very similar to that of the 3.4L 991's talk about, they live above 6k rpm and love it to death. I know, I owned 2 of them. In the end, it does not matter. All that matters is that the car you acquire meets your needs, expectation and leaves you feeling very happy to drive it.