cpbmd

Yeah. I am asking the dealer for total hours of operation on the DME scan.

mreloc

[QUOTEThings look good. My only concern is the 166 hours range 1 OverRevs. Do you guys think this is a deal breaker? What does range 1 over rev mean? Was the car tracked?][/QUOTE]

I don't think this is anything to worry about- if you want to get **** about things (I do!), if the overrev happened more than 50 hours ago and nothing has reared an ugly head, Porsche says all is well. You need to know the total hours on the car, then take the difference between that and 166 to know if 50 has passed.

Also, the overrev report is helpful in determining the life of the car, as in take total hours driven, divide that by number of miles driven to get a sense of average speed. If it's, like, 40, that would indicate a primarily highway miles car, which I think is always a good thing.

cpbmd

I don't think this is anything to worry about- if you want to get **** about things (I do!), if the overrev happened more than 50 hours ago and nothing has reared an ugly head, Porsche says all is well. You need to know the total hours on the car, then take the difference between that and 166 to know if 50 has passed.

Also, the overrev report is helpful in determining the life of the car, as in take total hours driven, divide that by number of miles driven to get a sense of average speed. If it's, like, 40, that would indicate a primarily highway miles car, which I think is always a good thing.[/QUOTE]




What does 51 ignitions mean? I think I read somewhere the 3 spark plug ignitions is a revolution or something like that. I don't know how to interpret it.
I have asked the sales guy to provide me with the total hours of operation of the car..

Thanks for all your help. This is really great.

cpbmd

One other thing I have been reading about is the rough engine" stumble" or "hesitation" between 2500-3000 RPM. How prevalent is this? Is it something I should look into? Have any of you experienced this? I think I read one person tracked the problem down to a bad fuel pump.

Thanks

mreloc

Yup- an ignition is exactly that- how many times a plug fired- NOT revolutions of the motor- so, 51 ignitions isn't all that bad at all.
You're probably starting to get on your sales guy's nerves by now - haha- but dig around until you're satisfied!

cpbmd

51 Ignitions in Range 1 at 166 hrs.
Total operating time is 339 hours for 6879 miles.
Average 20.29 miles per hour.
The 51 ignitions took place 173 hours ago.

I guess this looks good to me.
Looks like the car did mostly city miles.

cpbmd

I think you are 100% correct.
He should have to do a little work to make a $75,000 sale.
Now I have to figure out how to negotiate this?
They are asking $76,588 for the car. What would be your tactic?

911seeker

My tactic would be to assume your sales guy is reading this... just in case...

STG

Same as any other purchase that involves a negotiation. Give an offer. Start at $73K and play hardball.

LexVan

Range #1 over-revs are 100% normal.

cpbmd

Perfect guys.
I ll let you know tomorrow..

STG

Just tell them contingent on you seeing it in person for visual inspection of your own. If you want to play hardball, you need to be able to get a deposit down on it ASAP. With them possibly getting calls on it from others on RL they may think they have a unicorn here.

minthral

Not sure about MT, but the NA 2.7/3.4/3.8 engines + PDK did have some hesitation at lower RPMs and dead stop. I'd say its part of the engine's character. I tried to track this down and no mods would fix it. Variable valve timing, fuel or air starvation...not sure. I've made recordings of 0-60 times and despite the hesitation, they almost meet spec...maybe slightly slower, but that's fair because I'm testing rear world conditions.

I haven't tested thoroughly, but the new twin-turbo engine + PDK don't seem to have any hesitation...aside from slight delay in turbo spooling at low RPMs (a wash considering the dead zone in the NA). Perception wise, the turbo engine is much much quicker (I'd go as far saying 2 times so). The NA is more linear and only delivers peek power at peek RPM, so that makes it feel slower.

If you're getting concerns about power, you better go for some test drives before buying.

oalvarez

@cpmd if you are 100% for sure that this is the car for you, then try and determine how much the car means to you in dollar terms. meaning, at what price point do you become dis-interested? at what price would you be willing to lose the car over? call them, tell them that you are committed to purchasing the car at XYZ price, and let them decide if that suits them. if it doesn't suit them, and you feel like you've lost out, and feel as though another $500 would have traded the car, then you didn't give them your best price. i can tell you, that they are not going to lose the sale of the car over $500 either. it sounds as though you like the car very much, but please know that dealers usually 5% of wiggle room at least in their asking price.

good luck, i think you're going to buy this car. congrats in advance!

koala

I've had some symptoms of this in the 2,000 miles that I've done on my CPO 991.1 S. It's really not a big deal, IMO. I find the car has some roughness and hesitation in the first few minutes of driving, but it's all minor.