991.1 GTS winter - only car
06-03-2018, 09:46 PM
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The chatter you hear is the Ackermann Effect
FWIW, I wouldn't DD a nice car like a GTS in Boston because of salt. For days after it snows you're driving through wet, salty conditions that bathe your car in salt, and it takes its toll after a couple of winters. Shame to do to a nice car, and will be terrible for resale. The kind of people who want a 991 GTS won't go near a salt car. I certainly wouldn't.
FWIW, I wouldn't DD a nice car like a GTS in Boston because of salt. For days after it snows you're driving through wet, salty conditions that bathe your car in salt, and it takes its toll after a couple of winters. Shame to do to a nice car, and will be terrible for resale. The kind of people who want a 991 GTS won't go near a salt car. I certainly wouldn't.
I loved the way it drove but I am thinking a C4S manual with PSE and PASM would be close enough and cheaper. Those are super hard to find.
06-03-2018, 09:58 PM
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My wife DD’s her MT 991S. We have a set of winter wheels and tires and the Macan for ‘snow plow’ days.
This was her decision. We both know that a) we’ll loose a significant chunk of change due to salt if she gets rid of it and b) that there will, eventually, be non-trivially expensive out-of-warranty repairs due to salt corrosion of various bits under the car if she doesn’t,
Driving around Boston in the winter halves the expected life of a car.
This was her decision. We both know that a) we’ll loose a significant chunk of change due to salt if she gets rid of it and b) that there will, eventually, be non-trivially expensive out-of-warranty repairs due to salt corrosion of various bits under the car if she doesn’t,
Driving around Boston in the winter halves the expected life of a car.
06-03-2018, 10:10 PM
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I DD my 991.1 GTS cab in So Cal. Yes, no winter weather conditions to deal with here but we have our own driving stressors - crappy roads, crappy drivers and soul sucking traffic. That being said, I could not be happier with my GTS as a DD. It will be $100,000 very well spent.
06-03-2018, 10:44 PM
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OP, as long as the GTS has AWD and you don't need the ground clearance, you should be good to go.
06-03-2018, 10:48 PM
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Since you walk to work, GTS with all seasons will be fine as long as you skip driving when there’s snow on the ground. Driving on snow you need legit winter tires preferably with pins.
Yeah, you maybe get a bit of corrosion on the suspension and exhaust components, but it’s a mostly aluminum car with plastic underbody panels. Spray it underneath every once in awhile and any hit you might take is going to be less than the cost of having a second car.
Yeah, you maybe get a bit of corrosion on the suspension and exhaust components, but it’s a mostly aluminum car with plastic underbody panels. Spray it underneath every once in awhile and any hit you might take is going to be less than the cost of having a second car.
06-03-2018, 10:53 PM
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AWD makes zero difference when it really matters, which is when you need to STOP. Tires are where you make your money in the snow. I see Jeeps, Hummers, etc wreck all the time at Tahoe because they think they’re fine because of what vehicle they have and just leave regular tires on.
06-04-2018, 07:15 AM
#22
Having said that the Alpins sometimes feel superior to the pzeros...
On days with the slushy/greasy covered roads traction is poor,in heavy snow clearance becomes the issue.
06-04-2018, 04:54 PM
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AWD makes zero difference when it really matters, which is when you need to STOP. Tires are where you make your money in the snow. I see Jeeps, Hummers, etc wreck all the time at Tahoe because they think they’re fine because of what vehicle they have and just leave regular tires on.
06-04-2018, 04:55 PM
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That is what put me off buying the Mercedes-Benz E Wagon. The ice storm this April, saw a Panamera spinning its wheels and going nowhere. Could have already switched back to all seasons, but definitely an AWD car.
06-04-2018, 06:03 PM
#25
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I daily drive my 991.1 GTS including the past 4 winters and not a problem... having used both the Sottozeros (briefly) and the PA4 I would recommend the latter, wasn't happy with the Pirelli in snow/slush whereas the Michelin are rock solid. As others have wisely stated winter tires are mandatory for cold weather but otherwise the car is a champ in the cold/snow, likely the best sporty car I've driven in winter too.
I do however raise up my suspension (KW H.A.S. kit) so that helps a bit with ground clearance... first couple of winters without it was fine too,
I do however raise up my suspension (KW H.A.S. kit) so that helps a bit with ground clearance... first couple of winters without it was fine too,
06-04-2018, 06:14 PM
#26
You're probably correct on the Panny having switched tires, 4 pucks are no better than 2...
06-04-2018, 10:31 PM
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This is actually super helpful advice. My biggest anxiety about it is taking a massive $30k-$40k wash on it in a few years in case I decide to sell it.
I loved the way it drove but I am thinking a C4S manual with PSE and PASM would be close enough and cheaper. Those are super hard to find.
I loved the way it drove but I am thinking a C4S manual with PSE and PASM would be close enough and cheaper. Those are super hard to find.
06-05-2018, 12:35 PM
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Unless, of course, your garage has an automotive Bidet.
06-05-2018, 03:08 PM
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Lots of silly advice above.
1. Car is made in Germany to be driven year round. Manufacturer sells dedicated snow tires. Does it snow in Germany?
2. Most car washes have undercarriage cleaning systems.
3. Lots of cheap people here, if you are going to spend the money on the car, spend some on dedicated winter tires, accident can cost far more.
As for worrying about resale, I think this quote applies to Porsche also:
1. Car is made in Germany to be driven year round. Manufacturer sells dedicated snow tires. Does it snow in Germany?
2. Most car washes have undercarriage cleaning systems.
3. Lots of cheap people here, if you are going to spend the money on the car, spend some on dedicated winter tires, accident can cost far more.
As for worrying about resale, I think this quote applies to Porsche also:
"Not putting miles on your Ferrari is like not having sex with your girlfriend so she'll be more desirable to her next boyfriend." -Jim Glickenhaus (Ferrari Collector)
06-05-2018, 04:32 PM
#30
Three Wheelin'
If you're not going to be driving on snow/ice, you don't need snow tires. For real. The treads are designed for grip on snow/ice, not cold pavement. For cold pavement, you could get a set of all-seasons for the winter months, or (what I would do) just drive on summer tires. I did a couple of NE winters driving on clean, cold roads with summer tires. They don't grip in the cold like they do in summer, so just dial it back a little. Or enjoy the low-speed power slides. 
Daily driver in winter around Boston. ....AWD and 4 winter tires would be awesome.