PSE One Year In
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Also, has anyone been able to confirm that PSE "off" increases backpressure at low RPM and increases performance somewhat? Could be my imagination, and you would think that turning something called "performance" on would only be better, but understanding how it works I'm not completely sure open is better at low rpm...
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Originally Posted by 911boy
I don't care if its manufactured, I love it. Love it at the racetrack and love it on my car.
Ever been in an SQ5? Sounds GREAT (inside) but manufactured. Sound was big part of why I got mine. To each his own.
Ever been in an SQ5? Sounds GREAT (inside) but manufactured. Sound was big part of why I got mine. To each his own.
Fake noise was a huge turnoff for me in the M3 too. Had I bought one instead of the 991, the generator would have gone first weekend also. I already had bookmarked the link as I was really close to buying one.
To each their own for sure.
#33
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^M5 too! I guess virtually everything fun & turbocharged will have some sort of sound enhancement.....until everything is electric.
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Is that statement specific to the 991.2? I know some people don't like the crackle even on the 991.1 (myself I don't always like it, but it lets you change it so easily) but overall I thought the .1 crowd prefers PSE over not by a wide margin.
Also, has anyone been able to confirm that PSE "off" increases backpressure at low RPM and increases performance somewhat? Could be my imagination, and you would think that turning something called "performance" on would only be better, but understanding how it works I'm not completely sure open is better at low rpm...
Also, has anyone been able to confirm that PSE "off" increases backpressure at low RPM and increases performance somewhat? Could be my imagination, and you would think that turning something called "performance" on would only be better, but understanding how it works I'm not completely sure open is better at low rpm...
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I love the PSE sound, but I actually want even more volume. It's great with the windows down, but with them up, still fairly quiet to me.
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At least they are crackles and not cackles.
Backfiring sounds are very startling to pedestrians. They sound like gunshots . A nice-sounding car doesn't that this kind of gimmickry.
The GT3 has a lovely soundtrack and from the video I posted, none of those popping and backfiring sounds that seem even more exacerbated on 991.2 (with the SE) than the 3.4 L Boxster S that I used to own.
Backfiring sounds are very startling to pedestrians. They sound like gunshots . A nice-sounding car doesn't that this kind of gimmickry.
The GT3 has a lovely soundtrack and from the video I posted, none of those popping and backfiring sounds that seem even more exacerbated on 991.2 (with the SE) than the 3.4 L Boxster S that I used to own.
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^like Ferraris, Lambos and Jags? I dont find PSE as loud or shocking as the Jag but I've never heard a 911 with PSE from the outside.....ever. Is it that bad?
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I wish my car sounded like this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Mac5oUDko
None of the manufactured rthymic backfiring sounds engineered in the PSE that sound especially aggressive in the 991.2.
None of the manufactured rthymic backfiring sounds engineered in the PSE that sound especially aggressive in the 991.2.
Always wondered why folks like loud sounds. In the context of music there are some hypotheses such as the one described in this paper. Figure 2 is instructive.
I guess I am in the minority when it comes to sound. Also, the standard Porsche exhaust in the 911 is not so loud. Increasing the volume doesn’t do it for me as it does for most.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5580611/
I guess I am in the minority when it comes to sound. Also, the standard Porsche exhaust in the 911 is not so loud. Increasing the volume doesn’t do it for me as it does for most.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5580611/
At least they are crackles and not cackles.
Backfiring sounds are very startling to pedestrians. They sound like gunshots . A nice-sounding car doesn't that this kind of gimmickry.
The GT3 has a lovely soundtrack and from the video I posted, none of those popping and backfiring sounds that seem even more exacerbated on 991.2 (with the SE) than the 3.4 L Boxster S that I used to own.
Backfiring sounds are very startling to pedestrians. They sound like gunshots . A nice-sounding car doesn't that this kind of gimmickry.
The GT3 has a lovely soundtrack and from the video I posted, none of those popping and backfiring sounds that seem even more exacerbated on 991.2 (with the SE) than the 3.4 L Boxster S that I used to own.
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At least they are crackles and not cackles.
Backfiring sounds are very startling to pedestrians. They sound like gunshots . A nice-sounding car doesn't that this kind of gimmickry.
The GT3 has a lovely soundtrack and from the video I posted, none of those popping and backfiring sounds that seem even more exacerbated on 991.2 (with the SE) than the 3.4 L Boxster S that I used to own.
Backfiring sounds are very startling to pedestrians. They sound like gunshots . A nice-sounding car doesn't that this kind of gimmickry.
The GT3 has a lovely soundtrack and from the video I posted, none of those popping and backfiring sounds that seem even more exacerbated on 991.2 (with the SE) than the 3.4 L Boxster S that I used to own.
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Because it's manufactured and makes your car sound like it needs new jets on the carbs. Plus it covers up the natural sound of the engine. I remember my first hard drive in the car, on the Tail of The Dragon. Top down, I felt like the Confederate Army was hiding in the woods and firing a cannon fusillade at me every time I would let off for a corner. Trust me, in a cab, top down, it's pretty ridiculous.
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No point stalking me. I am not an attractive young person.
Yeah I guess I am not a fan of the sport exhaust. If Porsche could engineer such a lovely sound in the GT3, wonder why they felt it necessary to add all the snap, pop and crackle in the 991.2. The turbo six sounds quite nice without the SE but it is muted compared to the NA engines. My neighbor who is a 996 owner tells me he can hear my car from two houses down the street so I guess it is not that quiet on the outside even without the sport exhaust.
Yeah I guess I am not a fan of the sport exhaust. If Porsche could engineer such a lovely sound in the GT3, wonder why they felt it necessary to add all the snap, pop and crackle in the 991.2. The turbo six sounds quite nice without the SE but it is muted compared to the NA engines. My neighbor who is a 996 owner tells me he can hear my car from two houses down the street so I guess it is not that quiet on the outside even without the sport exhaust.
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No point stalking me. I am not an attractive young person.
Yeah I guess I am not a fan of the sport exhaust. If Porsche could engineer such a lovely sound in the GT3, wonder why they felt it necessary to add all the snap, pop and crackle in the 991.2. The turbo six sounds quite nice without the SE but it is muted compared to the NA engines. My neighbor who is a 996 owner tells me he can hear my car from two houses down the street so I guess it is not that quiet on the outside even without the sport exhaust.
Yeah I guess I am not a fan of the sport exhaust. If Porsche could engineer such a lovely sound in the GT3, wonder why they felt it necessary to add all the snap, pop and crackle in the 991.2. The turbo six sounds quite nice without the SE but it is muted compared to the NA engines. My neighbor who is a 996 owner tells me he can hear my car from two houses down the street so I guess it is not that quiet on the outside even without the sport exhaust.
Turbos act as resonators, thus reducing exhaust sound levels tremendously. Your car can never, and will never sound like a GT3. Porsche cannot even make this happen.
If you don't like the crackles and pops, simply change the drive mode setting into normal or S+. You can also run it in sport mode with PSE off. You are not forced to have the crackles.
PS: Even cars without PSE crackle and pop. Just not as loud.
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I suggest you do some reading and research on naturally aspirated and turbo engines. It is not possible to engineer that GT3 sound on a turbo 6 motor.. Especially at a 7500rpm redline.
Turbos act as resonators, thus reducing exhaust sound levels tremendously. Your car can never, and will never sound like a GT3. Porsche cannot even make this happen.
If you don't like the crackles and pops, simply change the drive mode setting into normal or S+. You can also run it in sport mode with PSE off. You are not forced to have the crackles.
PS: Even cars without PSE crackle and pop. Just not as loud.
Turbos act as resonators, thus reducing exhaust sound levels tremendously. Your car can never, and will never sound like a GT3. Porsche cannot even make this happen.
If you don't like the crackles and pops, simply change the drive mode setting into normal or S+. You can also run it in sport mode with PSE off. You are not forced to have the crackles.
PS: Even cars without PSE crackle and pop. Just not as loud.
And the backfiring is minimal even in sport mode. I didn't say that the turbo six should sound like the NA 6. Just why all the fakery and drama? Most cars come with the sport exhaust. Maybe folks don't realize how nice the car sounds without it.
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#44
What you're describing is the classic Porsche "howl". All .2 cars have this sound from Base-GTS with or without PSE. It's mainly an in-cabin sound, it's also partially due to the sound symposers in your car..
Yes, .1 and .2's have some "fake" noises in the cabin.
As far as the sound of PSE vs no PSE. It's subjective.
IMO no PSE WITH chrono package is doable but NO PSE and NO chrono.. Ehhh it sounds like ***.
Yes, .1 and .2's have some "fake" noises in the cabin.
As far as the sound of PSE vs no PSE. It's subjective.
IMO no PSE WITH chrono package is doable but NO PSE and NO chrono.. Ehhh it sounds like ***.
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What you're describing is the classic Porsche "howl". All .2 cars have this sound from Base-GTS with or without PSE. It's mainly an in-cabin sound, it's also partially due to the sound symposers in your car..
Yes, .1 and .2's have some "fake" noises in the cabin.
As far as the sound of PSE vs no PSE. It's subjective.
IMO no PSE WITH chrono package is doable but NO PSE and NO chrono.. Ehhh it sounds like ***.
Yes, .1 and .2's have some "fake" noises in the cabin.
As far as the sound of PSE vs no PSE. It's subjective.
IMO no PSE WITH chrono package is doable but NO PSE and NO chrono.. Ehhh it sounds like ***.