Powerband 991.1 N/A
#46
Between .1 and .2 Carreras, the differences are far more taste oriented than fundamental performance. Between exactly equally equipped .1 and .2 base cars (i.e vert manual vs vert manual or coupe PDK with Sport + vs coupe PDK with Sport +) the difference in 1/4 mile trap speed is “only” about 3-4 MPH. Hardly anything nearing a massive difference. Same goes for 0-60 (a few or so tenths). A .1 Carrera S ran a 7:37 on the Ring back in 2011 or 2012, while the .2 Carrera S’s best Ring time is a 7:34. A Cayman GT4 which is slower than a .1 Carrera S was driven by the same driver in the .2 S that turned a 7:34, itself turned a 7:41. That’s not even a big difference and it’s a manual N/A Cayman vs the .2’s TT PDK with Sport Chrono.
Moral of the story is, don’t let yourself feel your car is “underpowered” because someone with a .2 tries to come here and tell you so because they prefer the turbo power delivery. The cars are far more alike in all out statistics than they are different. The differences in real world and even remotely legal driving mostly reside in what formula makes your SOTP feel faster. I think the RPM crescendo and on-cam rush makes my car feel faster than .2 base cars I’ve driven. Some will feel otherwise. Results, as always, vary.
Moral of the story is, don’t let yourself feel your car is “underpowered” because someone with a .2 tries to come here and tell you so because they prefer the turbo power delivery. The cars are far more alike in all out statistics than they are different. The differences in real world and even remotely legal driving mostly reside in what formula makes your SOTP feel faster. I think the RPM crescendo and on-cam rush makes my car feel faster than .2 base cars I’ve driven. Some will feel otherwise. Results, as always, vary.
#47
#48
Times - Vbox.
Note the position of the 991.1 C Vs 991.2 C - the performance differences are substantial. This is well recognised and to be frank, the topic has been beaten to death. Little point going back to square one.
The 991.1 is very enjoyable as is the 9A1 per se - enjoy it for what it is and what it offers.
Last edited by RRDnA; 04-19-2018 at 08:16 AM.
#49
Rennlist Member
And hey, I was *17* when that movie came out 😁
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#51
So many typing about Nm on the new turbocharger engine. In my country this debate is always about fastest to 100km but then if Nm is what is desired higher than horse powers then we say why no sport cars with diesel since diesel make more Nm than petrol. We likes petrol in sports cars because good engines fit the car and are more than the sum of horse powers and newton metre.
LOL. Being a teen when that movie came out and living your life one quarter mile at a time like a street racing dunce? Nah, I know nothing about that. Nothing I tell you.
Last edited by K-A; 04-19-2018 at 04:14 PM.
#52
AGREED. Way too tall gearing. Hitting 80 in 2nd gear is ridiculous.
Nor the sound. GT2's, beastly as they are, sound awful. Surprising to me how even on that model, Porsche can't seem to get the soundtrack right.
What will help much better is not street racing like a 16 year old in the year 2001 when Fast & Furious came out.
[Yawn]
Nor the sound. GT2's, beastly as they are, sound awful. Surprising to me how even on that model, Porsche can't seem to get the soundtrack right.
What will help much better is not street racing like a 16 year old in the year 2001 when Fast & Furious came out.
[Yawn]
#53
Porsches need to be driven above 4k or else you might as well go drive a camry. The people who buy Porsches and drive around below 4k rpm are never in the power band. Of course you can hit 100hp in 6th gear at 3k rpm but that's not the meaning of the high rev flat six engine.
*To me* the .2’s inspired more lazy driving. I didn’t need to explore and master the car as much as I do my .1, which provides more of a lively challenge and reward to me. That’s what it’s all about.
Which is why, to me, the differences between .1 and .2 are more taste oriented. And why it’s worth noting to .2 guys who’ll come into a thread extolling the virtues of the .1 powerband with “but torque from 0 RPM,” that that’s actually antithesis to what many of us here are looking for, hence the very subject matter.
#54
Absolutely. I personally don’t get WHY someone would want to drive this car under 4K during fun-drives. The fact that it would make “plenty of power” under there is a negative to me. When I’m driving in a public space for fun or “art,” I don’t look for max numbers (I look the opposite way). I like revving it out because that’s when you hear the glorious atmospheric wail (the most important element of enthusiast public driving for me). That’s the entire point of a 911 to me. My car already has enough power to make revving it out while not getting to ludicrous speeds a frustrating ordeal. Last thing I want is enough torque at 2K RPM’s to make revving it uninspiring and unnecessary and too dangerous (and not musical).
*To me* the .2’s inspired more lazy driving. I didn’t need to explore and master the car as much as I do my .1, which provides more of a lively challenge and reward to me. That’s what it’s all about.
Which is why, to me, the differences between .1 and .2 are more taste oriented. And why it’s worth noting to .2 guys who’ll come into a thread extolling the virtues of the .1 powerband with “but torque from 0 RPM,” that that’s actually antithesis to what many of us here are looking for, hence the very subject matter.
#56
Originally Posted by tse
Exactly, rowing the gears on a manual NA 911 is bliss...
#57
#58
On .1 vs .2 it’s nice how both come in different horsepower levels so whether you enjoy the turbo torque of .2 or progressive NA build of .1 you can find the right car that’s the right speed for your personal tastes.
Back on topic, I love how the NA motors build and progress through different sounds as they rev. I like to start at like 3k on a straight road in 2nd or something and go all the way to redline (even though downshifting would obviously be faster) just to enjoy the crescendo throughout the range.
Back on topic, I love how the NA motors build and progress through different sounds as they rev. I like to start at like 3k on a straight road in 2nd or something and go all the way to redline (even though downshifting would obviously be faster) just to enjoy the crescendo throughout the range.
#59
On .1 vs .2 it’s nice how both come in different horsepower levels so whether you enjoy the turbo torque of .2 or progressive NA build of .1 you can find the right car that’s the right speed for your personal tastes.
Back on topic, I love how the NA motors build and progress through different sounds as they rev. I like to start at like 3k on a straight road in 2nd or something and go all the way to redline (even though downshifting would obviously be faster) just to enjoy the crescendo throughout the range.
Back on topic, I love how the NA motors build and progress through different sounds as they rev. I like to start at like 3k on a straight road in 2nd or something and go all the way to redline (even though downshifting would obviously be faster) just to enjoy the crescendo throughout the range.