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Old 01-03-2018, 08:25 PM
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Live in GA, currently pretty cold here at the moment - highs in the upper 30's F, but next week getting back to highs around 50. Thinking about getting my first 991.2 but clueless about tires. Is it possible to only keep one set of tires all year round and still use the full potential of the car? Switching back and forth from winter to summer tires sounds like a bit of trouble, given that 4 tires won't even fit in the car ( or will they?). Tks
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My car came delivered with Carrera S 20" wheels and P-zero tires. I bought a second set of wheels (19" Carrera wheels) with Pirelli Sottozero tires for the winter. I keep the set in my garage mounted on a tire rack on the wall. Swapping the four wheels only takes about a half hour (I like to make sure they're clean, so that takes a bit of time).
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Is the 911 your only vehicle?

The first 2 years I had my C4S I ran it pretty much year around with summer tires except when there was potential for snow and ice.

With that said I knew the limitations and kept in mind that traction and handling could be limited because of the cold.

2 years ago I was looking for a set of winters and found a killer deal on Rennlist on a lightly used set of OEM 19" Porsche Rims with tires up in Maryland and could not pass them up.

Now I run in any weather and love the handling and the confidence of winter tires at low temps.

You can find some deals on Rennlist and Tirerack on winter wheel sets for around $2K
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First time I searched for the topic I did not come up with anything. Second time found a huge thread
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9598...r-tires-3.html
so Im' reading up on that now.
One thing I'm still wondering is this. How is the handling in winter on winter tires compared to summer tires in the summer?
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Originally Posted by kage65
One thing I'm still wondering is this. How is the handling in winter on winter tires compared to summer tires in the summer?
I just came back from tearing up some back roads tonight at it's 20 deg out and handling was fantastic.

I do have a C4S so the fronts were doing their thing...... but I love the handling.

I think my biggest difference was going from 20" to 19"..... more rubber more flex...... but very controlled and predictable.

There was some good video comparisons of winter vs summer tires posed on here last week that very well done.
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Originally Posted by kage65
First time I searched for the topic I did not come up with anything. Second time found a huge thread
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9598...r-tires-3.html
so Im' reading up on that now.
One thing I'm still wondering is this. How is the handling in winter on winter tires compared to summer tires in the summer?
If you install performance winter tires like Michelin Alpins or Pirelli Sottozeros, then you’ll find that the performance in winter months is quite good, especially on cold, dry pavement. It won’t be as good as summer tires in summer conditions, but it will be quite good. I think the bigger concern is how summer tires would handle in winter conditions. They wouldn’t perform as well as winter tires on cold, dry pavement. They would be a nightmare in snowy conditions.

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If you install performance winter tires like Michelin Alpins or Pirelli Sottozeros, then you’ll find that the performance in winter months is quite good, especially on cold, dry pavement. It won’t be as good as summer tires in summer conditions, but it will be quite good. I think the bigger concern is now summer tires would handle in winter conditions. They wouldn’t perform as well as winter tires on cold, dry pavement. They would be a nightmare in snowy conditions.
+1. Its about braking. C4S won't help with that.
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Do you guys switch out the tires yourself? If so, you are not concerned about the alignment when doing it yourself?

Or do you have a shop do it? If so how do you get the 4 tires there and the others back? Tks
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I do it myself because I like to clean the calipers and inside the wheel wells when the wheels are off.

Wheel changes don’t impact alignment, so this isn’t an issue.

I currently put the car up on Jackpoint Jack Stands, but I have also done it by lifting each corner individually.

Here’s a link to a thread that I started last autumn when I changed my wheels for winter. Mine are center locks, so that makes it a bit different from 5-lug wheel changes, but you can see the jack stands and other parts of the process.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-turb...oto-heavy.html
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Originally Posted by kage65
Live in GA, currently pretty cold here at the moment - highs in the upper 30's F, but next week getting back to highs around 50. Thinking about getting my first 991.2 but clueless about tires. Is it possible to only keep one set of tires all year round and still use the full potential of the car? Switching back and forth from winter to summer tires sounds like a bit of trouble, given that 4 tires won't even fit in the car ( or will they?). Tks
Summer tires work fine in weather below 30 degrees. Yes, I know the recommendation and warnings. If I lived in Georgia, I wouldn't bother with changing tires. Summer tires are still rubber and you have a really large contact patch. Drive responsibly and you'll be fine. There are plenty of folks that drive in 3 in of snow with bald no-season tires and most get by, also not recommended. In GA, I wouldn't worry about it one bit.
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Snow tires would work on the track too. They are round. They’ll roll. Just take it easy and you’ll be fine.

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Snow tires would work on the track too. They are round. They’ll roll. Just take it easy and you’ll be fine.

That's a little extreme. But doable. Heck, I ran a track day with all-seasons using my BMW last summer (P Car was in the shop). I was getting passed left and right but I still had fun. The brakes were not manageable, the tires were.
Street driving you could pretty much drive with anything if there's not a lot of snow.
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Summer tires work fine in weather below 30 degrees. Yes, I know the recommendation and warnings.
No they don't. That's a ridiculous statement to make. There must be a dozen recent threads on this topic if you search.
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Originally Posted by Dennis C
Snow tires would work on the track too. They are round. They’ll roll. Just take it easy and you’ll be fine.

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Originally Posted by 3Series
Summer tires work fine in weather below 30 degrees. Yes, I know the recommendation and warnings. If I lived in Georgia, I wouldn't bother with changing tires. Summer tires are still rubber and you have a really large contact patch. Drive responsibly and you'll be fine. There are plenty of folks that drive in 3 in of snow with bald no-season tires and most get by, also not recommended. In GA, I wouldn't worry about it one bit.
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