991carreradriver

Some of you have been following saga of the engine issues relating to the 991.1 - GT3. There was a known defect (cause is complicated) in the finger follower parts in the valve train. The Concerned Owners Group (see the GT3/RS forum) met with PAG and the result was a proposed extended warranty being issued. PAG originally offered the following as a remedy "Porsche will extend the warranty on the engine of all 991.1 generation GT3 vehicles in all markets with respect to failure modes related to this issue. The extension will provide coverage for 10 years from the original in-service date, or 120,000 total vehicle miles, whichever occurs first. (The base bumper-to-bumper warranty remains unchanged at 4 years or 50,000 miles for the US, as do all other warranty terms and conditions.) The warranty extension is fully transferable to any future owner. All US owners will be informed in writing and the change will be applied and processed with no additional owner action required. If a vehicle shows the described failure patterns (e.g., misfire at high revs and check engine light) and the inspection in the workshop shows the failure patterns, Porsche will replace the defective engine with a new engine having the latest parts. Porsche confirms that the issue is isolated to the 991.1 GT3, and that the 991.1 GT3 RS and the 991 R are not affected."

UPDATE, I just received my official warranty extension letter from PCNA and the warranty extension is much better than PAG originally promised. It now states "Effectively, at once the limited warranty on all your vehicles internal engine components continues for ten years from your vehicles in service date, up to 120,000 miles, whichever comes first".

So now any 991.1 GT3 (MY 2014, 2015 & 2016) will have extended engine warranty. This makes the uncertainty of owning a 2014-2016 GT3, pretty much a non-event. Think about it, on a 2014 GT3, the engine warranty will run until 2024 or three years longer than a new 2018 991.2 GT3 delivered this month. I don't think mileage is too much of an issue as GT3 drivers are notoriously skimpy with miles driven. It certainly changes my thinking on keeping my car past in New Car Limited Vehicle Warranty period.

For anyone that had doubts about how special the Porsche brand is, this should alleviate those doubts. They push the limits of engine performance and design that we demand as consumers. When things don't go as planned, they step in and make it their problem as well. They have me as a customer for life.

Bents

In this instance, yes, but look how much it took to get to this place.

And in many, many other instances they have not stepped in "to make it their problem as well".

Happy that you are happy, but it's intellectually dishonest to apply this situation across the brand. Just my $0.02.

goin2drt

randr

It was a dud from the get go, a large number of engines were replaced soon after release and then the E and F series engines kept the ball moving - there are people with three, yes thats right, three engine replacements.

Porsche have known about this significant problem for a long time (years.......), yet dealers still replace spark plugs and coil packs even tho the most likely explanation for the CELs is the finger follower problem - and they do this to this very day.

Totally unacceptable.

991carreradriver

Interesting! I do not know of one E,F engine failure that ultimately was not repaired/replaced under warranty even before PAG issued the extended warranty. In fairness, if a "misfire fault" appears do you expect that an engine should be immediately replaced? A coil or plug or other related part could be intermittently failing. This is just part of the process to diagnose. Perhaps your friend should be a bit more proactive in the process and get PCNA involved.

991carreradriver

Would love to know what instances you are referring to where PAG or PCNA has not stepped up. I can only think of one and it is not a failure but drive condition.

goin2drt

Scorponok

While it's great that Porsche has made it official that the warranty will cover all basis, I will still be avoiding the .1GT3 (all years). Once I'm finished with my T, I will move on to a .2GT3T, but not a .1 for fear of it's potential issues (even if still covered). It will be hard to shake the stigma I'm afraid but I do recognize that at least Porsche is trying. Not sure what real world experiences are like but I do hope they do the right thing by their customers that are spending big bucks on these toys.

randr

Are you joking? this is an inherent design flaw? There are far too many people that have had engine problems, followed by service problems.

Perhaps people in North America will buy a CPO 991.1 GT3 - I doubt any one else will. Why do you think they went to solid lifters (at great risk) in the 991.2 GT3...........................................

991carreradriver

I am not joking as this is a very concerning issue to many GT3 owners. I have read several posts where owner's received a misfire fault and it resolved as a bad coil. Design flaw, perhaps but I am more inclined to think it is a manufacturing flaw (inclusion) at this point. In truth, the engine problems are are a very small percentage of those on the road (not counting the first 700 that were recalled for a different reason). They went to sold lifters for reasons that are known only to Porsche. We will see how bullet proof this design proves to be. You comment that no one will buy a non CPO GT3 is simply wrong. They are offered for sale and are traded every day.

Archimedes

I think it's awesome that Porsche went this far for .1 owners and I do think it takes some of the risk of ownership out of the equation, but there is still a difference between owning a car where the engine may blow up and get fixed and one where the engine won't blow up. Even if the manufacturer is covering all the costs, do you still want to deal with the hassle?

991carreradriver

Name one car that can be tracked regularly and the engine not blow up. I have seen Audi's, BMW, Corvette, Ferrari, Suburu and Porsche all blow up at the track. No engine is immune, the difference is that no manufacturer other than Porsche (GT3/ RS) will stand behind engines with track use.
I only considered a 2016 MY with the "G" engine. It is the same design as the RS engine just smaller displacement. Having said this, there was no extended warranty when I was shopping this past spring. If I was in the market now for a 991.1 GT3, I would not think twice about taking the plunge now.
There have always been issues with Porsche engines. For example, the IMS bearing issue in the 996, 987 and early 997's. The LSD guard issue in the Metzger engines in the 996, 997 GT3's. Their engine design has been pushing the envelope for quite some time, for example 9K redines. There will always be problems when engine designs are pushed this hard. I think it is better to have a 10 year warranty and suffer the inconvenience of an engine swap than have it on my dime after 4 years. I track regularly and so this is a big deal to me as well as a lot of other folks that are like minded .

STG

These engines have inherent design flaws. They would have been faced with a class action lawsuit sooner or later. They figured avoid that and be proactive when the concerned owners group pursued the issue. This avenue is much cheaper than a lawsuit.

Porsche looks out for Porsche, trust me ....

No, not on my wish list this Christmas ....

Although .... If you're going to buy one and drive the hell out of it, it is a good deal By the time the warranty expires, you will have gotten your $$ our of it regardless of what resale will be then.

Archimedes

Well .1 GT3s were failing off the track as well. I think what Porsche is doing here is awesome, and should give comfort to owners that they won't suffer a catastrophic financial loss. But it still wouldn't change my opinion that it's a car I'd never own. Less than zero interest in a car with known serious issues, regardless of the warranty. Same reason I quickly dropped the 570S off my consideration list. Don't need the headache.

spiderv6

So will I get a check now for the $$$ I laid out on my IMS failures (plural) all those years ago?

Like others, I wouldn't touch one of these cars with a barge pole - who needs the potential headache. I'm sure the collective is breathing a sigh of relief and thinking that they can bail on these cars and not lose a ton of money.....but not so sure.