pprj

Including the new Aston Martin Vantive.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...oreUserAgent=1

Dennis C

The 911 is definitely the benchmark for the every day supercar. Nothing else has matched it.

subshooter

Sorry Dennis but the 911 is not a supercar.....and there are plenty of cars that have matched it.

Dennis C

I disagree. While others have certainly matched it or surpassed it on some levels, the performance that it offers is truly in the supercar realm, especially the Turbo and GT variants. And it’s the only “supercar” with a back seat. Are there faster cars out there? Yes. Is it an “ultracar”? No. I really believe that the 911 is an every day supercar.

Penn4S

I think we take for granted that we can drive these cars every day and if we choose to, go to the dealer and pay $350ish for an oil change or do it ourselves and keep driving.

I have ave always loved the look of the Astons. They are pretty cars and this one even prettier still and they sound awesome. I always felt they were a bit heavy to drive not as tossable as the 911. I won’t be changing my ride but this is a nice car

freeman727

The eternal debate. I didn’t see a dictionary definition, but the following wis from Wikipedia: A supercar is a luxury, high-performance sports caror grand tourer.[1]
[2] The term is used in marketing by automakers for unusual and expensive vehicles, and has been used to refer to at least four different sorts of cars:

• Limited-production specials from an "elite" automaker[3]
• Standard-looking cars modified for power and performance[3]
• Models from smaller manufacturers that appeal to enthusiasts[3]
• One-of-a-kind "showcase" project vehicles built by custom car retrofitters (usually extensively modified collectible muscle cars or grand tourers updated to the latest "streetable" racing technology).[4]
  [5]

freeman727

Based on the Wikipedia definition, 911’s fit bullet points 2 and 3. For a sportscar enthusiast, a 911 is the best mixture of price, performance and practicality. Argue that point!

subshooter

In the Porsche world, the 959, Carrera GT and 918 are super cars. These are Halo cars. You can make a strong case that the GT2RS and GT3RS are supercars. The 911 is not.

Ironically, the base 991.2 w/pdk is faster than the 959 which at the time was the fastest production car sold in the world in the 1980s. ok....sorry for continuing the Off Topic.

Modern day supercars: Ferrari 458, and any Mclaren (especially the P1), Koenigsegg etc. (not an inclusive list - just examples) The 911 is not even in the same league.

We can make a distinction between super cars and hyper cars (which nobody agrees on).......but the 911 is neither.

K-A

What an incohesive mess. The lines on the front fender and door look like they’re from entirely different cars. Imo Aston’s jumping too far into outlandish insta-dated in your face-ness while giving up too much of that restrained aggressive elegance that made them so revered to begin with (as it certainly wasn’t their drive or build quality).

K-A

The GT2/GTS3’s are 911’s, and a 911 Turbo/GTx will stomp on a 458 (which you listed as a Supercar).

I call the 911 a sports car, personally, but the Turbo S has embarrassed plenty of higher dollar supercars.

subshooter

Yes, I knew someone would say that..... lol. But the GT3 and GT2s are in a class of their own even though they are listed under the 911 on the Porsche model lineup. (that is also why rennlist has a separate forum for those guys). They are GT cars and even still debatable if they are super cars. However, the Dodge Demon can stomp all of them in the quarter mile and that car is not a super car either. Straightline acceleration is not the measure of a supercar. I agree, the 911 is a sports car. The GT2/3 are not sports cars though......

AnandN

Benchmark or not, to me, Porsche sports cars and especially the 911 is unique because of its history, its heritage and its timeless appeal. I am sure others can say the same about some of these other brands but every drive in my 911 feels special to me. It feels that Porsche built this car just for me. Everything feels good and the drive is sublime. Why look elsewhere? I can say the same thing for Porsche’s other sports cars like the Boxster S that I used to own. Cars that feel instantly familiar, comfortable and confidence inspiring with the first drive. It is rare thing.

Dennis C

Hypercar is what I meant when I typed Ultracar. I think the Carrera GT and the 918 fall into this category.

I think the top offerings from McLaren and Ferrari fall into this category too. I think the Ferrari 488 and the McLaren 720S compete favorably with the 911 Turbo S. They are supercars. Is the base 911 a supercar? No. Is it still the standard by which other sports cars are judged? Yes.

991carreradriver

If we want to be precise, here is the recent history and definition of a "super car", which the GT2/3 are not simply because they are not mid-engine.

Per Wikipedia:
The word supercar later came to mean a "GT" or grand touring type of car.[22] By the 1970s and 1980s the phrase was in regular use, if not precisely defined.[23]
[24]
During the late 20th century, the term supercar was used to describe "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine",[1] and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match", "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".[25]

Dennis C

Ok, ok. I guess it’s not a super car, technically.

I still consider it to it to be one, and I think many “average Joes” would consider it to be one, but I get it.

How about this: it is an extremely capable, every day sports car.