R_Rated

I read in a man part measuring thread someone stated that the performance from their 991.2 to their Ferrari was a quantum leap.

I don't have the means to buy a 458/488 much less maintain them nor am I comparing in such a way to be combative. Mostly, it just seems interesting to have some members that could give some candid feedback and I've love to hear what they think. We all assumed the 911 would be the better daily driver and I assumed the ferrari would be "faster" but hard to fathom the performance getting any better than a 991.2s. I'm not talking about feel, sound, enjoyment... simply cars capabilities from anyone that's owned both.

Rocket_boy

The performance of the 991.2 is great, but you will need at least a "true" Turbo/Turbo S to pretty much even hang with a newer Ferrari (all modding aside). As you stated Porsche is all about every day livability and great performance vs. most anything else out there.

djcxxx

Depends upon which Ferrari (model/year).

bwiele

I had made some favorable comments about my 991.2 GTS as compared to my 2002 360 in another thread. I don't think that's a very relevant comparison given the 15 year difference. Current product to current product the Ferrari should absolutely outperform given the price premium. But for me, the P car is more usable and parkable without drawing attention. But owning a Ferrari really is a special experience and I recommend all serious car people own one for a spell, even if it's a couple of generations old.

I agree with the saying "you should date an Italian, but marry a German."

clutchplate

stout

Car most likely irrelevant in this discussion. Will come down to driver every time.

Good shoe in 991.2S > most shoes in 458 or even 488.

Neither would see which way a well-driven 991.2 Turbo went.

KenTO

As someone who has owned both the 991.2 and a 458, I don't think they are comparable. The 991.2 is a competent sports car and great daily driver that is very fast to drive and fun on the track. The 458 is a completely different experience. It looks better, it sounds much better, and "feels" faster. It's an amazing experience to have have a V8 sitting behind your head when you are red-lining it at 9000 rpm. Ferrari has the whole "experience" thing down pat, when you are driving a modern Ferrari you feel that there is no other car that feels the same or is as good. I miss my 458 but it did not make a good daily driver, too fragile and too much attention. As for track times, the 458 and 991.2 GTS would be very close, but you would be having more fun in the Ferrari.

///Armin

Completely different cars in different categories, super car vs sports car. The best scenario would be to have 911 as your "daily" sports car, a super car for the weekend and a SUV/sedan for the rainy days or when you need to take passengers around

Valvefloat991

According to the German Sport Auto magazine, which regularly tests cars at the Nordscheife, here are the respective lap times:

Ferrari 458 7:38
Ferrari 488 7:22

991.1 C2S 7:44
991.2 C2S 7:34
991.2 C2GTS 7:24
991.2 GT3 7:18
991.1 Turbo S 7:34

The Ferraris are fast, but not in a different league from the various 991s.

bwiele

That is one very simple measure. The experience of driving a Ferrari is a very different one from a 911. That's really hard to debate.

Valvefloat991

No argument. It's hard to argue with the charisma of a 458 or 488's styling or engine shriek.

But some of the posters on this thread stated that the Ferraris were also much faster than the 991s. Objectively, that is not so clear--especially in a handling context.

Dewinator

Enthusiasts buy 3 pedal cars, posers buy 2 pedal. You can only order a Ferrari with two.

sticky

Formula 1 drivers are the biggest posers around.

JustBud

Yup, sure thing....... real men have three pedals.

Red Bull F1 pedals....


I'll let you tell Ricciardo or Verstappen they're not enthusiasts....... or Seb or Kimi, as they have Ferrari's with two pedals, what posers.


From F1technical.net

Pedals
Not so long ago, we still saw drivers shifting gears like in normal cars, pulling and pushing a gear stick while keeping the clutch down with a third pedal, exactly as it was in normal road cars. Then, around 1990, John Barnard introduced electronic gear shifting to Formula One, allowing drivers to shift gears with buttons on the steering wheel.

A little later, semi-automatic gearboxes were introduced which made clutch pedals redundant (while the buttons were changed to paddles behind the steering wheel for easier gear shifting). That reduced the cars' pedals to two, and thus allows drivers to brake with their left foot and throttle with their right. The conversion of this however was gradual, as drivers who were used to right foot braking initially opted to continue this way. Rubens Barrichello was the last one to convert, although it took him quite a while to get used to it. In the end however, left foot braking allows drivers to brake earlier after releasing the throttle, allowing for better performance.

The pedals themselves are made from lightweight titanium or aluminium and for some drivers feature special supports on each side of the pedals to prevent the driver's feet slipping off.

Dewinator

I have the PDK and it's good on the track, even better if you're racing and get paid to go fast. I've only taken it to the track twice though, it's fun but not really my thing. Driving the PDK on streets is mind-numbingly boring.