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Old 06-15-2017, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by STG
Seeing the overwhelming response to this issue on these threads, they'd be insane not to think this has a very wide reach and support of
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I believe Porsche is well aware of the situation. They get it.


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Old 06-15-2017, 04:50 PM
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E mail sent.
Thank you Rob for all your efforts on our behalf.
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As reference, here is a letter I sent to Porsche AG Korea office in April 2016. I requested a g engine, but engine was rebuilt.

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April 4, 2016


Porsche AG
401, Yeongdong-daero, Gangnam-gu, Seoul, 135-847
Rep. of KOREA

To Whom It May Concern:

I am a loyal and avid Porsche fan. I have owned a 997 C4S, 997 GTS and currently am the proud owner (first/only) of a 2014 991 GT3.

My 2014 GT3 came with the replacement E engine. I have c.20,000 km. On March 12, 2016, I the engine light came on that read “reduced engine performance, possible to drive on.” Based on readings from Porsche dealer technicians, the fault code indicated that cylinder 3 misfired at approximately 7,300 rpm. This was repeated three times before the decision was made to transfer the car by truck carrier to the dealer center.

There has been a lot of talk and documented engine replacements, in particular with the E engine. Please refer to the thread below:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-repalced.html

The issues I presume is better understood by you/team than me, but my understanding is that it is an oil lubrication / design issue with the E engine that causes excessive scoring on the rocker arms and camshaft. The subsequent G engine was tweaked to address this issue to my understanding.

I received a call from my dealer center (Bundang, Korea +8231-729-0912) and the decision by PAG Germany is to rebuild my engine. Based on my observations below, I am very surprised about this outcome. The wear on the rocker arms and the camshaft is severe (see pictures below). My worry is that a rebuild of the engine will see a similar fate in the near future, unless you/team can explain otherwise.

I would like to request further diagnostics with a PAG field representative and reconsideration of your/team outcome as I believe that a G engine replacement is warranted. As you would imagine, I am quite concerned, but hopeful that Porsche AG will do the right thing by me and other customers. The 991 GT3 is an incredible car and a dream car for me.

Sincerely,

Heartbreaking picture to see the 991 GT3 A1 flat six under such circumstances!

Rocker arms for cylinders 1, 2 and 3. Severe scoring on all rockers, especially for rockers for cylinder 3 (far right).


Another shot of rocker arms for cylinders 1,2 and 3. In the light, you can see the wear and tear on the rocker arms.

Here is a close up of the rocker arm (furthest right).


And here is a lateral view of the rocker arm (above). You can see that the wear has “flattened” the rocker arm, evidence of metal to metal wear.

Camshaft lobe is quite scored.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ablee2323
As reference, here is a letter I sent to Porsche AG Korea office in April 2016. I requested a g engine, but engine was rebuilt.

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April 4, 2016


Porsche AG
401, Yeongdong-daero, Gangnam-gu, Seoul, 135-847
Rep. of KOREA

To Whom It May Concern:

I am a loyal and avid Porsche fan. I have owned a 997 C4S, 997 GTS and currently am the proud owner (first/only) of a 2014 991 GT3.

My 2014 GT3 came with the replacement E engine. I have c.20,000 km. On March 12, 2016, I the engine light came on that read “reduced engine performance, possible to drive on.” Based on readings from Porsche dealer technicians, the fault code indicated that cylinder 3 misfired at approximately 7,300 rpm. This was repeated three times before the decision was made to transfer the car by truck carrier to the dealer center.

There has been a lot of talk and documented engine replacements, in particular with the E engine. Please refer to the thread below:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-repalced.html

The issues I presume is better understood by you/team than me, but my understanding is that it is an oil lubrication / design issue with the E engine that causes excessive scoring on the rocker arms and camshaft. The subsequent G engine was tweaked to address this issue to my understanding.

I received a call from my dealer center (Bundang, Korea +8231-729-0912) and the decision by PAG Germany is to rebuild my engine. Based on my observations below, I am very surprised about this outcome. The wear on the rocker arms and the camshaft is severe (see pictures below). My worry is that a rebuild of the engine will see a similar fate in the near future, unless you/team can explain otherwise.

I would like to request further diagnostics with a PAG field representative and reconsideration of your/team outcome as I believe that a G engine replacement is warranted. As you would imagine, I am quite concerned, but hopeful that Porsche AG will do the right thing by me and other customers. The 991 GT3 is an incredible car and a dream car for me.

Sincerely,

Heartbreaking picture to see the 991 GT3 A1 flat six under such circumstances!

Rocker arms for cylinders 1, 2 and 3. Severe scoring on all rockers, especially for rockers for cylinder 3 (far right).


Another shot of rocker arms for cylinders 1,2 and 3. In the light, you can see the wear and tear on the rocker arms.

Here is a close up of the rocker arm (furthest right).


And here is a lateral view of the rocker arm (above). You can see that the wear has “flattened” the rocker arm, evidence of metal to metal wear.

Camshaft lobe is quite scored.
Those pictures do not look good at all. Thanks for sharing.

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Old 06-20-2017, 09:09 PM
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ablee2323, did Porsche give you an explanation as to why they didn't give you an engine replacement vs a rebuild?
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:53 PM
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hopefully not too late. email sent
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:01 PM
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Definitely not. Email received! Thanks.
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