RS separation anxiety
05-24-2017, 10:00 PM
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Also remember that while everyone is excited that the new engine is going to be better, we don't know what new problems will be created by the design changes. Could even be less reliable than the 991.1 RS engine - you're trading something known and working for another unknown crapshoot.
Testing a related engine in the Cup series and making changes to me means we're probably the Beta testers vs the Alpha testers this time around.
Testing a related engine in the Cup series and making changes to me means we're probably the Beta testers vs the Alpha testers this time around.
05-24-2017, 10:56 PM
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So, I'll keep this brief. I own a 2016 GT3RS in white. And I LOVE the car. Nothing looks, feels or drives like it.
But, I have an opportunity to get an allocation on a new 991.2 GT3 in exchange for trading my RS, and hopefully getting an allocation on a 991.2 GT3RS. And prior to owning my current 991.1 RS I owned a 991.1 GT3. And after owning both, a RS is a RS - nothing compares in my mind.
Looking further down the road, what does giving up the RS actually gain me instead of many months (or a year) without owning the car that I really LOVE. I mean, the 991.2 RS will be better but not by a mile. And, if this is the last of the N/A GT3 cars then why on earth would I give up a masterpiece that I already own and that's safely in my garage.
You guys have never been shy about sharing your opinions. So, let's here it.
Thanks
But, I have an opportunity to get an allocation on a new 991.2 GT3 in exchange for trading my RS, and hopefully getting an allocation on a 991.2 GT3RS. And prior to owning my current 991.1 RS I owned a 991.1 GT3. And after owning both, a RS is a RS - nothing compares in my mind.
Looking further down the road, what does giving up the RS actually gain me instead of many months (or a year) without owning the car that I really LOVE. I mean, the 991.2 RS will be better but not by a mile. And, if this is the last of the N/A GT3 cars then why on earth would I give up a masterpiece that I already own and that's safely in my garage.
You guys have never been shy about sharing your opinions. So, let's here it.
Thanks
05-24-2017, 11:03 PM
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This is great entertainment.
When did ANYONE profess in any official capacity that "Andreas needed half a gen to deliver Mezger level quality" - ? And how would the initial reviews provide an assessment of such ostensible quality and, uh, longevity?
I wonder how Porsche tricked all of those idiot gentleman drivers who just bought a nearly $200K Cup Car into servicing the engine at 100 hour intervals when the road car allegedly has the exact same engine
The GT1 engine existed before the M96 / M97 and outlasted the more prosaic engine; furthermore, it was never used as a substitute or replacement. They coexisted.
When did ANYONE profess in any official capacity that "Andreas needed half a gen to deliver Mezger level quality" - ? And how would the initial reviews provide an assessment of such ostensible quality and, uh, longevity?
I wonder how Porsche tricked all of those idiot gentleman drivers who just bought a nearly $200K Cup Car into servicing the engine at 100 hour intervals when the road car allegedly has the exact same engine
The GT1 engine existed before the M96 / M97 and outlasted the more prosaic engine; furthermore, it was never used as a substitute or replacement. They coexisted.
Yes i agree. 100% true. Too much misinformation and conjecture flying around here, (on this thread) you know, too much BS flying around.
05-25-2017, 12:09 AM
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So, I'll keep this brief. I own a 2016 GT3RS in white. And I LOVE the car. Nothing looks, feels or drives like it.
But, I have an opportunity to get an allocation on a new 991.2 GT3 in exchange for trading my RS, and hopefully getting an allocation on a 991.2 GT3RS. And prior to owning my current 991.1 RS I owned a 991.1 GT3. And after owning both, a RS is a RS - nothing compares in my mind.
Looking further down the road, what does giving up the RS actually gain me instead of many months (or a year) without owning the car that I really LOVE. I mean, the 991.2 RS will be better but not by a mile. And, if this is the last of the N/A GT3 cars then why on earth would I give up a masterpiece that I already own and that's safely in my garage.
You guys have never been shy about sharing your opinions. So, let's here it.
Thanks
But, I have an opportunity to get an allocation on a new 991.2 GT3 in exchange for trading my RS, and hopefully getting an allocation on a 991.2 GT3RS. And prior to owning my current 991.1 RS I owned a 991.1 GT3. And after owning both, a RS is a RS - nothing compares in my mind.
Looking further down the road, what does giving up the RS actually gain me instead of many months (or a year) without owning the car that I really LOVE. I mean, the 991.2 RS will be better but not by a mile. And, if this is the last of the N/A GT3 cars then why on earth would I give up a masterpiece that I already own and that's safely in my garage.
You guys have never been shy about sharing your opinions. So, let's here it.
Thanks
05-25-2017, 01:42 AM
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Burning Brakes
05-25-2017, 01:49 AM
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Manual > PDK for driving fun -- track times aren't everything.
05-25-2017, 02:25 AM
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05-25-2017, 04:18 AM
#41
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Even. if it were a "bastard child" engine which it's not Chris Harris just chose the 2 year old bastard child over the new AMG GTR. Not bad for a bastard child.
i have mt cars and there is no doubt, none that the level of performance the newer RS and GT3 have can only really be utilized and tapped best with the PDK. AP was right.
05-25-2017, 06:41 AM
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You need more imagination. How is buying a 991.2 GT3 "stepping down" from a 991.1 RS?" I think Porsche puts "RS" after GT3 to get some of you guys buying extra cars, indulging the fantasy that RS models (of all vintages) are superior to all GT3 models. Even AP disagrees, and he's in a position to know.
Manual > PDK for driving fun -- track times aren't everything.
Manual > PDK for driving fun -- track times aren't everything.
You sound like a narrow minded GT3 owner. 😂
And to call a PDK a bore to drive is another narrow minded thing to say. I race a manual. And the art of heel/toe is a lot of fun. But with the speed and grip level of these GT cars I have plenty of fun with the PDK as it allows me to concentrate on other things like slip angle.
05-25-2017, 07:22 AM
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So, I'll keep this brief. I own a 2016 GT3RS in white. And I LOVE the car. Nothing looks, feels or drives like it.
But, I have an opportunity to get an allocation on a new 991.2 GT3 in exchange for trading my RS, and hopefully getting an allocation on a 991.2 GT3RS. And prior to owning my current 991.1 RS I owned a 991.1 GT3. And after owning both, a RS is a RS - nothing compares in my mind.
Looking further down the road, what does giving up the RS actually gain me instead of many months (or a year) without owning the car that I really LOVE. I mean, the 991.2 RS will be better but not by a mile. And, if this is the last of the N/A GT3 cars then why on earth would I give up a masterpiece that I already own and that's safely in my garage.
You guys have never been shy about sharing your opinions. So, let's here it.
Thanks
But, I have an opportunity to get an allocation on a new 991.2 GT3 in exchange for trading my RS, and hopefully getting an allocation on a 991.2 GT3RS. And prior to owning my current 991.1 RS I owned a 991.1 GT3. And after owning both, a RS is a RS - nothing compares in my mind.
Looking further down the road, what does giving up the RS actually gain me instead of many months (or a year) without owning the car that I really LOVE. I mean, the 991.2 RS will be better but not by a mile. And, if this is the last of the N/A GT3 cars then why on earth would I give up a masterpiece that I already own and that's safely in my garage.
You guys have never been shy about sharing your opinions. So, let's here it.
Thanks
When I got a RS allocation I was very happy and sold my GT3. When I actually got the RS, my happiness level was 5/10 (not as happy as going from 911 turbo to GT3)
I have sold my RS already (with a reasonable loss).
Now there might be more to it than just the car. Maybe I liked the GT3 more due to the color and options.
I am looking forward to the 991.2 GT3 and getting (almost) exactly same color and options like my 991.1 GT3. The only thing I feel left out with the GT3 is the lack of value retention vis-a-vis the RS but then I could never get used to that wing. I like the more integrated wing of the GT3. In. terms of performance I would use neither one to its full extent. They merely fill a void left by the 911 turbo due to the more connectivity with the road, better sound and NA throttle response.
05-25-2017, 07:48 AM
#44
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I may the minority here or maybe the only one. When I moved from 911 turbo to 991.1 GT3 my happiness level was 10/10
When I got a RS allocation I was very happy and sold my GT3. When I actually got the RS, my happiness level was 5/10 (not as happy as going from 911 turbo to GT3)
I have sold my RS already (with a reasonable loss).
Now there might be more to it than just the car. Maybe I liked the GT3 more due to the color and options.
I am looking forward to the 991.2 GT3 and getting (almost) exactly same color and options like my 991.1 GT3. The only thing I feel left out with the GT3 is the lack of value retention vis-a-vis the RS but then I could never get used to that wing. I like the more integrated wing of the GT3. In. terms of performance I would use neither one to its full extent. They merely fill a void left by the 911 turbo due to the more connectivity with the road, better sound and NA throttle response.
When I got a RS allocation I was very happy and sold my GT3. When I actually got the RS, my happiness level was 5/10 (not as happy as going from 911 turbo to GT3)
I have sold my RS already (with a reasonable loss).
Now there might be more to it than just the car. Maybe I liked the GT3 more due to the color and options.
I am looking forward to the 991.2 GT3 and getting (almost) exactly same color and options like my 991.1 GT3. The only thing I feel left out with the GT3 is the lack of value retention vis-a-vis the RS but then I could never get used to that wing. I like the more integrated wing of the GT3. In. terms of performance I would use neither one to its full extent. They merely fill a void left by the 911 turbo due to the more connectivity with the road, better sound and NA throttle response.
GT3 to RS is not as major as above.
You apparently expected the same jump in difference.
you apparently like lower key. RS is not low key.
05-25-2017, 08:01 AM
#45
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Also remember that while everyone is excited that the new engine is going to be better, we don't know what new problems will be created by the design changes. Could even be less reliable than the 991.1 RS engine - you're trading something known and working for another unknown crapshoot.
The issues are all worth it if you're using the GT car as it was meant to be used. There are very few options out there for a car that can be hammered on the track and then driven home to return to it's DD duties w/ only relatively basic maintenance. I guess I expect that to get the track performance and enjoyment the car is going to be a bit high strung and have some stress points. It's an expensive hobby and I expect to pay in order to track a $200K car. Tracking an RS (or a GT3) is a thrilling experiencing and it costs.
I view every part on my car as a wear item. We spend all this time talking about engine issues but go look at the cost and annoyance of replacing the silly CL hubs. My sense is that the expectations of the current GT car buyer are shifting - more and more of the cars are being used primarily (or exclusively) as DD/weekend fun cars. Those buyers expect a 911-type ownership experience rather than a race car/heavy maintenance experience. To me that's central in this race to the .2 and it's perceived reliability.