Will Porsche make more GT cars now relative to other 911s?
03-23-2017, 01:23 AM
#1
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Will Porsche make more GT cars now relative to other 911s?
As I currently own a 991.1 GTS I am usually on the 991 board, but I think times may be changing. Ever since the release of the 991.2 things have been...shhh crickets over there. Even the new GTS has been greeted with ho hum enthusiasm at best. (Feel free to disagree with me STG!).The 991.2 GT3 on the other hand, has been welcomed with wild enthusiasm. I don't think I would ever be enticed to spend 145K again on a tt 3L 911, when, for a few dollars more, I could have a 500 hp normally aspirated race bred engine that revs to 9k along with the chassis and everything else. Will Porsche build more GT cars which will sell like hotcakes? They are built on the same assembly line by the same folks, just a different parts bin.
Jim
Jim
03-23-2017, 01:28 AM
#2
RL Community Team
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No, they will make less.
GT cars are low margin, low demand cars (RL is not representative of the Porsche market).
FWIW, Porsche will be making more and more Macans (and Cayennes), as those sell like ice cubes in August at Death Valley. And those boards on RL make retirement homes seem like frat parties.
GT cars are low margin, low demand cars (RL is not representative of the Porsche market).
FWIW, Porsche will be making more and more Macans (and Cayennes), as those sell like ice cubes in August at Death Valley. And those boards on RL make retirement homes seem like frat parties.
03-23-2017, 11:08 AM
#3
Race Director
Originally Posted by 96redLT4
Ever since the release of the 991.2 things have been...shhh crickets over there. Even the new GTS has been greeted with ho hum enthusiasm at best. (Feel free to disagree with me STG!).The 991.2 GT3 on the other hand, has been welcomed with wild enthusiasm.
03-23-2017, 11:13 AM
#4
Race Director
The GT cars don't have as much mass appeal as the street Carrera's, although going Turbo hasn't helped them in my opinion.
They won't be making any more GT's in any significant numbers. They are a more limited line.
I do agree though, as with the manual in GT's, there is an enthusiast contingency among many Carrera owners who prefer NA engines and are more attracted to the GT models now.
The GT cars aren't as good daily drivers and less practical for many. Not as many bells and whistles, no back seat, and lower riding height.
In my opinion, the Carrera line should have remained NA, and the 718's FLAT 6's instead of 4 bangers (which are a real flop).
They won't be making any more GT's in any significant numbers. They are a more limited line.
I do agree though, as with the manual in GT's, there is an enthusiast contingency among many Carrera owners who prefer NA engines and are more attracted to the GT models now.
The GT cars aren't as good daily drivers and less practical for many. Not as many bells and whistles, no back seat, and lower riding height.
In my opinion, the Carrera line should have remained NA, and the 718's FLAT 6's instead of 4 bangers (which are a real flop).
03-23-2017, 11:26 AM
#5
I don't think Rennlist is representative of the majority of Porsche 911 buyers.
We are going crazy over here in the GT forums but in reality 32,365 911s were delivered worldwide in 2016 (31,350 in 2015), and with, let's say, an average of 4,000 GT cars made per year, only 12.5% of 911s are GT cars. This percentage is probably growing, but 87.5% of buyers are not interested enough to wait or pay more for a GT car or it does not appeal to them.
We are going crazy over here in the GT forums but in reality 32,365 911s were delivered worldwide in 2016 (31,350 in 2015), and with, let's say, an average of 4,000 GT cars made per year, only 12.5% of 911s are GT cars. This percentage is probably growing, but 87.5% of buyers are not interested enough to wait or pay more for a GT car or it does not appeal to them.
03-24-2017, 12:01 AM
#6
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
I don't think Rennlist is representative of the majority of Porsche 911 buyers.
We are going crazy over here in the GT forums but in reality 32,365 911s were delivered worldwide in 2016 (31,350 in 2015), and with, let's say, an average of 4,000 GT cars made per year, only 12.5% of 911s are GT cars. This percentage is probably growing, but 87.5% of buyers are not interested enough to wait or pay more for a GT car or it does not appeal to them.
We are going crazy over here in the GT forums but in reality 32,365 911s were delivered worldwide in 2016 (31,350 in 2015), and with, let's say, an average of 4,000 GT cars made per year, only 12.5% of 911s are GT cars. This percentage is probably growing, but 87.5% of buyers are not interested enough to wait or pay more for a GT car or it does not appeal to them.
J
03-24-2017, 09:29 AM
#7
Three Wheelin'
GT production used to be some 2500 cars per year. Now its 4000 according to AP. Looks like Porsche is sensing added market demand and is responding to it. Wonder if they will continue to expand.
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03-24-2017, 10:57 AM
#8
This is, I guess what I was curious about, whether the percentage of GT cars relative to the others would increase. Having bought 2 previous 911s new, I would not buy a third. I would however buy a manual GT3 if I could find a dealer to take my money and guarantee me a slot. I have this theory that Porsche will find a way to be more helpful to folks like me in the future who desire to part with 170K.
J
J
You can research the # of GT cars produced since 2012 and calculate the %s
03-24-2017, 06:10 PM
#9
Nordschleife Master
Let's hope AP and Porsche follow through with more GT cars. It really doesn't bother me if they made 10K as long as I and everyone that wants one, gets an opportunity to get one. I'm not a flipper, just want to own one and drive one.
03-24-2017, 06:15 PM
#10
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by bronson7
Let's hope AP and Porsche follow through with more GT cars. It really doesn't bother me if they made 10K as long as I and everyone that wants one, gets an opportunity to get one. I'm not a flipper, just want to own one and drive one.
Now go work that left leg out...I envision a clutch in your life soon!
03-24-2017, 07:46 PM
#11
Race Director
I do not think they are that low margin. But - the more on the street the more Customers they can draw in to their show rooms. When some one sees a great looking Porsche on the street they may decide to drop in to a Dealership and sniff around. Hey - may be the Wifey ends up with a Macan
03-24-2017, 10:37 PM
#12
Nordschleife Master
03-24-2017, 10:47 PM
#13
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by bronson7
This is funny, the last few days all I was thinking about was the MT, next week it might be back to PDK. I guess when I have to sign on the dotted line, I'll give you a call to chat.
But I must warn you : I'm bad for the pdk business.
I'll convince you to buy a manual.
03-25-2017, 07:39 PM
#15
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Thread Starter
The GT cars don't have as much mass appeal as the street Carrera's, although going Turbo hasn't helped them in my opinion.
They won't be making any more GT's in any significant numbers. They are a more limited line.
I do agree though, as with the manual in GT's, there is an enthusiast contingency among many Carrera owners who prefer NA engines and are more attracted to the GT models now.
The GT cars aren't as good daily drivers and less practical for many. Not as many bells and whistles, no back seat, and lower riding height.
In my opinion, the Carrera line should have remained NA, and the 718's FLAT 6's instead of 4 bangers (which are a real flop).
They won't be making any more GT's in any significant numbers. They are a more limited line.
I do agree though, as with the manual in GT's, there is an enthusiast contingency among many Carrera owners who prefer NA engines and are more attracted to the GT models now.
The GT cars aren't as good daily drivers and less practical for many. Not as many bells and whistles, no back seat, and lower riding height.
In my opinion, the Carrera line should have remained NA, and the 718's FLAT 6's instead of 4 bangers (which are a real flop).
Jim