robmypro

I saw that message a few times but it did not force me from 1st to 4th. Maybe just a suggestion on the zr1?

The manual does take getting used to. The throws from 4th to 5th and 6th to 7th seems really difficult to nail but i doubt those shifts matter on track or at the drags.

CAlexio

asking for a friend (seriously).. at what range of moneyshift does porsche decide to not cover a siezed engine? is it a pattern of small ones over time, is it existence of a big level 5 somewhere in the car's history?

i don't have all the details but basically:

-purchased used manual GT3 but never checked the rev report
-experienced driver with many manual porsches..
-today at 6000rpm engine went into limpp mode.. coasted to side of road. Tried drivinig again and made bad sound
-Towed to dealer rev report shows one at 5 range, quite a few 1,2.
-what should she ask for? what is porsche warranty language on this?

I'm curious to see what happens but also wondering if anyone here has experienced similar or knows of outcomes in similar situations.
-is it a "dealer be nice to me" thing, or Porsche AG be nice to me.. ie, how much discretion is there with warranty coverage?

ii'll share this thread with them as they aren't on rennlist so they can see answers, but i have nothing else to add with details.

grazie!

Carcam

Money Shift- another Value thread? should I Shift Money from the stock market to my Porsche dealer.
I’m so disappointed it’s not 🤣🤣

montoya

I will give a data point although it probably won’t answer your question. As I have stated my 997.2 GT3 had two stage five overrevs due to failing Dynamic Engine Mounts and me driving it like a race car (LOL). I wholesaled it out to the lowest bidder (still crying) and eventually after two changes of owners, owner five had the car CPO’d!! WHAAATTTT? Well, owner 5 who tracked me down here actually works for PCNA and had worked with PAG to change the CPO to allow cars with overrevs up to Range 5 after some many hours. Now my two range fives were a total of only like 12 rotations of the motor, so not horrible but not great to see on the DME. I can’t remember the hours needed, but somehow 150 Hours sticks in my mind. So, there is precedence to Porsche ‘ignoring’ high range overrevs so there may be an argument to be made that an overrev from several hundred operating hours ago is not material to the engine failure.

Good luck my friend- maybe you can dig into the CPO policy with PCNA through some of your connections.

feh

Hard to grab 2nd by mistake from 5th, unless you really ham fist it down and way left (which if you do, you definitely need waaaay more practice).

I've missed the 3rd gear gate from 2nd and it's easy to catch early like others said, via sound or the gear indicator. 3rd to 4th is also pretty well defined, don't see how you can mess up and grab 2nd either.

montoya

Its easy on a high speed turn to have the lateral forces acting on the engine and transmission (especially with soft or failed dynamic engine mounts), misaligning the gear linkage and then a fast shift from 3rd to 4th, finds 2nd. Boom, show me the money!

Seriously though, it’s easy to preach and claim you have to be really hamfisted as you say. But the truth is if you’ve never done it it’s probably because your not a racer or pushing for that last tenth on a track in a competitive environment. Back in the day, before robot manuals and dual clutches, many passes in F1 were made because of a missed shift- by arguably the best drivers in the world. If people like Dan Gurney and Jim Clark can miss a shift, you can too.

groundhog

money shifts are a regular occurrence on cars driven hard, so are engine and gear box rebuilds ~ 50hrs

with a manual its very much pay to play

#PDK

RockyTopTenn

I have about 400,000 miles on manuals - driven hard - and exactly zero engine and gearbox rebuilds. What am I doing wrong?

montoya

You're not racing

CAlexio

What ^^^ he said and also... it's sort of like in motorcycling there are two kinds of riders (those who have crashed and those who will crash)....



But just to help you visualize your now impending moneyshift it will go like this.

1st: vrrrrrooooOOOOOMMM
2nd: vrrrrrooooOOOOOMMM
3rd: vrrrrrooooOOOOOMMM
4th: vrrrrrooooOOOOOMMM
3rd.. **** I meant 5th... clang, boom, clunk, clunk, clunk, dead... engine light.

Tears rolling down the face. (And that was in a Miata, not a $70k engine replacement GT3.

tstafford

What I've been told is that Porsche starts to become difficult when the car shows range four and above over revs. Time since the over revs is important too - the longer it was in the past, the better. I was looking at a 991.2 GT3 manual last week and this is what I was told re: a car that had single digit ignitions in range 3. They said that car could be CPO'd. I think the whole thing is somewhat subjective. I bet it turns on how long ago the over revs were, the nature of the problem causing the engine issues and the interactions with the dealer/PCNA.

RockyTopTenn

Touché. But I don't intend to ever race mine...

Quadcammer

a single ignition in range 5 is a computer glitch, not a real overrev

CAlexio

If you see an actual report.. the number of ignitions for a single event are in the 100's, never single digits much less 1.

GrantG

I think an important question is how many ignitions in RANGE 4 - if none or single digits there, then RANGE 5 results would be suspicious.