is this anyone here?
12-26-2016 | 05:09 PM
#17
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From: Orange County, CA
Therein lies a big part of the problem. Basically all of the LA area mountain and canyon roads are double-yellows end-to-end, with infrequent turn-outs rarely used by slower traffic; along with ridiculously low speed limits that are generally disregarded, so have the rules of passing on double-yellows.
12-26-2016 | 05:29 PM
#18
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From: West Vancouver and San Francisco
Therein lies a big part of the problem. Basically all of the LA area mountain and canyon roads are double-yellows end-to-end, with infrequent turn-outs rarely used by slower traffic; along with ridiculously low speed limits that are generally disregarded, so have the rules of passing on double-yellows.
But I agree with your point in general. I grew up mostly with traffic markings that made sense, so I obey things like double-yellow or stop sign as if I'm going to be shot dead for not obeying. But after first coming to California on a drive around So Cal, I got stuck for over two hours on a stretch of a road behind a group of RVs doing 20 MPH under the speed limit. They have not used turnouts, of course. We missed a dinner because of them. The road was rather straight much of the way, so passing would have been safe. I can imagine many people passing in such situations, and then eventually starting to treat double-yellow as if it means nothing. Same with stop signs - if you have one in every intersection, regardless of whether it makes sense 1) everyone forgets right of the way rules; 2) many start ignoring stop signs, and authorities have to resort to putting gigantic stop signs and additional warning signs before it - "Look there is a stop sign that actually matters coming" further reinforcing the idea that normal stop signs are just a prank or something like that.
Speed limits in Canada are like that - 100 KM/H (62 MPH) limit on a perfectly straight endless road with all 4-5 lanes of traffic going 130-140 KM/H (~ 85MPH) all the time every single car. It's like some kind of a peaceful civic disobedience act. </rant>
12-26-2016 | 05:36 PM
#19
Burning Brakes
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From: Southern California
I hear both of you, and I know how frustrating it can be.
With that in mind, there are situations where it might make sense to pass on the double yellows (no traffic, far visibility, good conditions, etc), and then there's this *******.
F uck the guy in the video. If he wants to kill himself, by all means have at it. We've all done stupid s hit to varying degrees on the road. But to blatantly put others at such a high degree of risk is criminal.
With that in mind, there are situations where it might make sense to pass on the double yellows (no traffic, far visibility, good conditions, etc), and then there's this *******.
F uck the guy in the video. If he wants to kill himself, by all means have at it. We've all done stupid s hit to varying degrees on the road. But to blatantly put others at such a high degree of risk is criminal.
12-26-2016 | 05:41 PM
#20
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Therein lies a big part of the problem. Basically all of the LA area mountain and canyon roads are double-yellows end-to-end, with infrequent turn-outs rarely used by slower traffic; along with ridiculously low speed limits that are generally disregarded, so have the rules of passing on double-yellows.
12-26-2016 | 06:06 PM
#21
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From: Central New Jersey
I hear you on that, but it's not about lines in this case, as somebody else already said. I've also seen broken lines (okay to pass) where it's quite dangerous to pass, and I'd never do it. It's all about common sense. That guy was on a murder/suicide mission IMO. Wonder if the CHP would do something about that if somebody posts this thread on their website.
That's exactly what should be done.
12-26-2016 | 06:48 PM
#23
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It has nothing to do with patience. If it is, he should NOT be driving at all!
12-26-2016 | 07:09 PM
#24
Racer
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From: Tampa, Florida
You want to tell his family that it was okay because the person who hit him just lost their patience?
12-26-2016 | 07:27 PM
#25
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From: Phoenix, AZ
Therein lies a big part of the problem. Basically all of the LA area mountain and canyon roads are double-yellows end-to-end, with infrequent turn-outs rarely used by slower traffic; along with ridiculously low speed limits that are generally disregarded, so have the rules of passing on double-yellows.
12-26-2016 | 07:37 PM
#26
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The improved image above is missing a number or letter, maybe more but if complete:
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12-26-2016 | 07:38 PM
#27
Intermediate
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From: New York
12-26-2016 | 10:00 PM
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Those are not problems - this is a public roadway and not a racetrack. Coming across common folks using it as a road on their way to a hiking path or park, typically going the speed limit, should be expected. It's not required for these folks, whom are typically driving near the posted speed limit, to pull over and let a canyon carver pass. It should be expected to run into this situation and it's not justification for this type of behavior. Take it to the god damn track if you can't be patient.