BANGIN' GEARS: GT3RS vs SV vs 675 vs ACR vs speciale
07-07-2016, 11:29 PM
#46
Guys I really don't mean to offend anyone on here but you cannot put Thermal laps at 105F ambient temps and not setup suspension etc and guy that owns his own race car/ pay driver up against a factory set up car with 1.5 laps worth of 100 octane fuel, potentially deleted emissions options etc and a REAL pro driver told "break seven minutes or you walk home to italy"
That's like some slow pitch softball guy that is the best player on your sunday league team trying to play against MLB All-Stars
Face it- different tracks favor different cars.
Face it- they are not a race team and don't know how to set up the cars- the ACR still had all the fender vents in place! Was probably not even at track ride height.
It is representative of relative speed but other than the drag races (for comparison purposes) thermal laps and ambient temps etc all vary greatly when it's some dudes street car that's been launched 50 times to "drop the panties"
I'm not a fan of the style these guys address the camera but he's right about a few things-
Lap times are BS- (including theirs by the way!)
Manufacturers cheat up the cars
The viper is amazing on track for what it costs
The speciale is overrated in regards to performance
GT3RS is an awesome all around car
675LT is the fastest launching car you can get below 918/P1 etc
That's like some slow pitch softball guy that is the best player on your sunday league team trying to play against MLB All-Stars
Face it- different tracks favor different cars.
Face it- they are not a race team and don't know how to set up the cars- the ACR still had all the fender vents in place! Was probably not even at track ride height.
It is representative of relative speed but other than the drag races (for comparison purposes) thermal laps and ambient temps etc all vary greatly when it's some dudes street car that's been launched 50 times to "drop the panties"
I'm not a fan of the style these guys address the camera but he's right about a few things-
Lap times are BS- (including theirs by the way!)
Manufacturers cheat up the cars
The viper is amazing on track for what it costs
The speciale is overrated in regards to performance
GT3RS is an awesome all around car
675LT is the fastest launching car you can get below 918/P1 etc
I'd also be interested in getting your $.02 on the Speciale's relative lack of pace. Many thanks in advance.
07-09-2016, 12:01 AM
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Well said, CJ. Since you seem to know these cars quite well (lucky!), do you have any thoughts on the GT3's performance compared to the 675? It seems like the 675 should have been much further ahead because with the power-to-weight the 675 has. Heat soaked turbos? Setup? GT3 aero advantage?
I'd also be interested in getting your $.02 on the Speciale's relative lack of pace. Many thanks in advance.
I'd also be interested in getting your $.02 on the Speciale's relative lack of pace. Many thanks in advance.
but also there was no explanation of how many laps he ran on the tires etc so who knows.
The GT3RS does not make a ton of aero numbers at those velocities- the biggest thing that the RS does is have huge tire footprint for it's weight, and the rear differential, and rear weight bias allows the car to put power down on hairpin exit better than almost anything else RWD in the world.
07-09-2016, 12:05 AM
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Well said, CJ. Since you seem to know these cars quite well (lucky!), do you have any thoughts on the GT3's performance compared to the 675? It seems like the 675 should have been much further ahead because with the power-to-weight the 675 has. Heat soaked turbos? Setup? GT3 aero advantage?
I'd also be interested in getting your $.02 on the Speciale's relative lack of pace. Many thanks in advance.
I'd also be interested in getting your $.02 on the Speciale's relative lack of pace. Many thanks in advance.
on Ferrari V8s in general you really have to rev them to the moon to make the power which is fun but if your gearing ratios are off a bit (too long for instance) then you can get stuck just below the torque curve.
07-09-2016, 01:25 AM
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Show grew on me... Better than a lot other stuff out there. I subscribed to their channel. These guys are enthusiastic about cars. What is there not to like?
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07-10-2016, 08:44 AM
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07-10-2016, 04:43 PM
#55
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I think they are entertaining and fun to watch. They also make me laugh. They are clearly enthusiastic about these cars which is enjoyable to watch.
07-11-2016, 07:26 AM
#57
Fair enough. But the thrashing the ACR dealt the Lambo SV in these vids does at least raise an eyebrow considering the ACR was 12+ seconds behind the Lambo at the ring.
This is a vid of lambo doing the sub 7 second ring: Aventador LP 750-4 SV Onboard ‪Nürburgring‬ lap in under 7m with P Zero Corsa - YouTube
This is a vid of lambo doing the sub 7 second ring: Aventador LP 750-4 SV Onboard ‪Nürburgring‬ lap in under 7m with P Zero Corsa - YouTube
I would love to see what the G5 ACR would do at the Ring. I think it would also be a sub 7 minute lap if they ever decide to run it at the Ring.
I wonder if they set up the Viper suspension and aero for that track properly? Did they check tire pressures?
On another note it is amazing that the GT3 can be competitive with this group of cars. I hope they do a GT2 in the mold of the ACR. That would be the ultimate GT Porsche.
07-11-2016, 01:02 PM
#58
speciales are a little heavier than they typically claim to be, and just like the mclarens they don't ever really seem to have enough tire for the HP. this hurts them the most on braking- the Porsche RS front tire is a 265 while the 675LT and 458S both use 235 and 245 respectively.
on Ferrari V8s in general you really have to rev them to the moon to make the power which is fun but if your gearing ratios are off a bit (too long for instance) then you can get stuck just below the torque curve.
on Ferrari V8s in general you really have to rev them to the moon to make the power which is fun but if your gearing ratios are off a bit (too long for instance) then you can get stuck just below the torque curve.
07-11-2016, 01:16 PM
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The other issue with the Speciale is that it's hard to put the power down out of the tighter hairpins. We tested the Speciale vs the Huracan vs the RS (both stock setup and modified setup) and I just couldn't put the power down on the 458 SP vs the obvious advantage of the RS out of the hairpins.
The RS had the same top speed as the 458 SP at the end of the long straight as I would gap the Ferrari out of the corner by 5+ mph and the 458 SP barely caught up to it at the end, plus the 458 SP didn't have the braking power of the RS, but we already knew that.... :-)
The RS had the same top speed as the 458 SP at the end of the long straight as I would gap the Ferrari out of the corner by 5+ mph and the 458 SP barely caught up to it at the end, plus the 458 SP didn't have the braking power of the RS, but we already knew that.... :-)
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07-11-2016, 04:14 PM
#60
^^^ Could you please comment on why Ferrari decided on those wheel/tire specs? Does it have to do with the overall feel that they are going for, as it seems to me that could easily be remedied if their goal is track times? Or does it have to do with not stepping on the toes of other more expensive models?
Interesting to me as I've spent some time with Scuderia...same exact issues...under tired, but way fun to drive.
Interesting to me as I've spent some time with Scuderia...same exact issues...under tired, but way fun to drive.