So is my RS faster than my GT3 on track, in my hands?
02-01-2016, 08:09 AM
#16
Drifting
Thread Starter
Thanks for all the kind words.
Not me. I tracked all other cars regularly, I have been very gun shy ever since I knew the cost of the from fender replacement ($15K) but am now all good, so more to come.
Don't know, yet. Only ran it once in the rain. In my GT3, my one time best was 1:18.99 so looking to be consistently below that, hopefully.
With my set up (-2.5 camber F/R, loose front sway bar, mid position rear sway bar and wing in stock position), I note similar issues to the GT3, corner entry oversteer and mid corner understeer. Both in corners of 80+ mph
Yes. I should have clarified. The brakes per se are excellent and equivalent on both cars but the contact patch makes better use of them in the RS.
Already installed 
I think it added 0.5 oz so I could have been faster still without it 
But as you said, rear vision is much better in the RS because of the higher wing.
Not me. I tracked all other cars regularly, I have been very gun shy ever since I knew the cost of the from fender replacement ($15K) but am now all good, so more to come.
Sam-
I seem to recall you did a great post installing a backup camera on the GT3?
First thing I noticed was that the RS TOO didn't have a back up camera???? At least w/ the wing higher, you can actually see behind you, unlike the GT3 that obscures your vision. But, $200k+ on a brand new car and Porsche STILL doesn't include a backup camera? What the heck?
Are you going to install one on your RS?
I seem to recall you did a great post installing a backup camera on the GT3?
First thing I noticed was that the RS TOO didn't have a back up camera???? At least w/ the wing higher, you can actually see behind you, unlike the GT3 that obscures your vision. But, $200k+ on a brand new car and Porsche STILL doesn't include a backup camera? What the heck?
Are you going to install one on your RS?
I think it added 0.5 oz so I could have been faster still without it But as you said, rear vision is much better in the RS because of the higher wing.
02-01-2016, 10:03 AM
#17
Three Wheelin'
I will make this post to the point. This applies to MSR Cresson track, from today.
The short answer is yes, significantly so. My absolute best time in the GT3 on PSC2 at a temp of 69 F was 2:20:66 sometime last year. That time was not duplicated and my "normal" best in the GT3 was around 2:21:xx (PSC2 or Trofeo-R) Today's temp was 70 F
The car takes corners a little but noticeably faster than the GT3. While aero might have helped a little, MSR is a relatively slow track so not likely. I think it is because of the wider stance and tires mainly. The car definitely stops better, later braking points consistently. Again, wider tires are likely reason but also probably because the RS only allows -2.5 camber max, versus -3.0 that I had in my GT3. The late braking is probably responsible for 60-70% of the lap time improvement. I also think the midrange torque increase helps a little, it is most apparent after the hairpin turn, which slows you down a lot and then you have to go up hill. That was the only section I noticed the torque increase. It doesn't mean it is not there all the time, it just means it is where my butt dyno registered it.
One final comment on the car's setting. In the GT3, I drove it all the time in the softer setting. On track, the firmer setting made the car slide and hence slower. Others have posted (and I agree) that the RS is more compliant on the road than the GT3. The firm setting in the RS, I think, is very close to the soft setting in the GT3. I was faster in the firm setting in the RS, which should be the case.
Now to my lap time. Mind you I haven't been on track since September and was rusty today plus I gained 20 lbs. since then. Yeah yeah, excuses I know but my point is I can difininitely be even faster by another 0.7-1 second, just need to go back and practice again. I was previously worried about hurting the RS or getting dirt on but it is now officially track broken, after a Radical broke its transmission on track and the oll patch in ricochet sent me offroading
Today's lap time for the 3.1 Mile was an all time best for me at 2:19.71 I'm very excited
The short answer is yes, significantly so. My absolute best time in the GT3 on PSC2 at a temp of 69 F was 2:20:66 sometime last year. That time was not duplicated and my "normal" best in the GT3 was around 2:21:xx (PSC2 or Trofeo-R) Today's temp was 70 F
The car takes corners a little but noticeably faster than the GT3. While aero might have helped a little, MSR is a relatively slow track so not likely. I think it is because of the wider stance and tires mainly. The car definitely stops better, later braking points consistently. Again, wider tires are likely reason but also probably because the RS only allows -2.5 camber max, versus -3.0 that I had in my GT3. The late braking is probably responsible for 60-70% of the lap time improvement. I also think the midrange torque increase helps a little, it is most apparent after the hairpin turn, which slows you down a lot and then you have to go up hill. That was the only section I noticed the torque increase. It doesn't mean it is not there all the time, it just means it is where my butt dyno registered it.
One final comment on the car's setting. In the GT3, I drove it all the time in the softer setting. On track, the firmer setting made the car slide and hence slower. Others have posted (and I agree) that the RS is more compliant on the road than the GT3. The firm setting in the RS, I think, is very close to the soft setting in the GT3. I was faster in the firm setting in the RS, which should be the case.
Now to my lap time. Mind you I haven't been on track since September and was rusty today plus I gained 20 lbs. since then. Yeah yeah, excuses I know but my point is I can difininitely be even faster by another 0.7-1 second, just need to go back and practice again. I was previously worried about hurting the RS or getting dirt on but it is now officially track broken, after a Radical broke its transmission on track and the oll patch in ricochet sent me offroading
Today's lap time for the 3.1 Mile was an all time best for me at 2:19.71 I'm very excited
02-01-2016, 11:20 AM
#18
Can't wait to see 1.7 times, that's all I have experience with to compare in the .2RS.
02-01-2016, 12:46 PM
#20
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I'll put a camera in when I have time.
Are you seeing more rear tire wear compared to front as to opposite on the GT3?
Try the sway bar middle front and stiff rear, it seems to help mitigate outside tire wear. It was also faster for me with suspension stiff - even at Sebring.
I think the faster the track the bigger the delta between GT3 and RS.
Are you seeing more rear tire wear compared to front as to opposite on the GT3?
Try the sway bar middle front and stiff rear, it seems to help mitigate outside tire wear. It was also faster for me with suspension stiff - even at Sebring.
I think the faster the track the bigger the delta between GT3 and RS.
02-01-2016, 12:48 PM
#21
Rs 4.0 time at Sebring? 2:15?
02-01-2016, 01:04 PM
#23
Drifting
Thread Starter
I'll put a camera in when I have time.
Are you seeing more rear tire wear compared to front as to opposite on the GT3?
Try the sway bar middle front and stiff rear, it seems to help mitigate outside tire wear. It was also faster for me with suspension stiff - even at Sebring.
I think the faster the track the bigger the delta between GT3 and RS.
Are you seeing more rear tire wear compared to front as to opposite on the GT3?
Try the sway bar middle front and stiff rear, it seems to help mitigate outside tire wear. It was also faster for me with suspension stiff - even at Sebring.
I think the faster the track the bigger the delta between GT3 and RS.
02-01-2016, 02:32 PM
#24
Very interesting info, Sam. I don't really trust the press pundits. If you know how to drive, taking the same basic chassis and adding more tire and 25 more horsepower pretty much has to go faster. That said, to me the time increment is not worth the price Delta. I am very glad to see you using the car for work its intended purpose, I suspect you are one of a much smaller percentage of RS owners than the regular GT3 owners
02-01-2016, 02:59 PM
#25
How do you like the Akra Evo Race exhaust?
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02-01-2016, 06:33 PM
#26
Drifting
Nice playing with you and the other GT3's on track. I'll try and upload some footage tonight. I was in the white .1 non RS GT3 (aka poverty GT3). I wish I got some lap times but forgot the lap timer. I believe yours was the only GT3 I couldn't keep up with.
Last edited by CosmosMpower; 02-01-2016 at 06:55 PM.
02-01-2016, 08:13 PM
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I think we need the same N1 Cup 2 tire on both cars for a proper comparison, since there appears to be a significant difference between the N0 and N1.
02-01-2016, 08:22 PM
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02-01-2016, 11:13 PM
#30
Drifting
Thread Starter
Again, thanks for the kind words. Loving the car.
Unfortunately, my trip to COTA never happened due to a Li Ion battery malfunction (later found to be a minor install issue) so this will have to wait. Ugh. I love the Akra. Perfect balance between behaved and loud. It can be louder by losing the center muffler but from chatting with those on track who had all three mufflers out, drone is an issue.
It was a fun day. Great times
ummmm, sure, yeah, that. Definitely not soccer mom camera. Are you kidding?
That's another point I forgot to mention. I would like for someone to report back to us on that.
That's another point I forgot to mention. I would like for someone to report back to us on that.