RS prices in the long run
12-12-2015 | 10:16 PM
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I'm sure up till this point it has been a bottleneck due to certain exclusive to the RS components- probably from all I've read it's the magnesium roof. It makes sense that as that production or supplier starts to deliver more, they will build more. Whether that will be through Sept. we will see, but again it makes sense, because after September they will convert all production to the latest 991.2 models.
12-13-2015 | 01:25 AM
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You know, it would be great if PAG/VW did that and it taught a little lesson to all the flippers, speculators, and stealerships. I get this feeling that more RS allocations are coming in 1Q 2016 (2Q/3Q builds).
12-13-2015 | 01:29 AM
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I'm sure up till this point it has been a bottleneck due to certain exclusive to the RS components- probably from all I've read it's the magnesium roof. It makes sense that as that production or supplier starts to deliver more, they will build more. Whether that will be through Sept. we will see, but again it makes sense, because after September they will convert all production to the latest 991.2 models.
12-13-2015 | 01:36 AM
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If you find that out tell me what next weeks lottery numbers are or where the stock market will be in 2020.
Questions like this are the reason for the craziness, speculation, and flipping.
Brand new cars appreciating like investments are a bubble waiting to pop! Guys buying these cars as golden eggs are in for a big surprise when they realize most cars aren't good investments. Buying $150K+ cars and thinking you can drive them for free is a bit of a fairy tale that will soon end.
Questions like this are the reason for the craziness, speculation, and flipping.
Brand new cars appreciating like investments are a bubble waiting to pop! Guys buying these cars as golden eggs are in for a big surprise when they realize most cars aren't good investments. Buying $150K+ cars and thinking you can drive them for free is a bit of a fairy tale that will soon end.
That last sentence has not been my experience with desirable Porsches. I have purchased them, drove for a few thousand miles, then sold back for same price. Several times. Including GT3s. I agree with you that no one should buy with an appreciation expectation. But Porsches that are limited in some way hold their value well.
12-13-2015 | 01:38 AM
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if they make 2017 .1RS, it's another 300 cars?
that will be eaten up in no time. what make you all think RS price will drop?
if yellen took fed rate to 10%, yes, it will drop and we will see the GREATER DEPRESSION. but otherwise, printing money is free.
that will be eaten up in no time. what make you all think RS price will drop?
if yellen took fed rate to 10%, yes, it will drop and we will see the GREATER DEPRESSION. but otherwise, printing money is free.
12-13-2015 | 01:41 AM
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With the demand that PAG/VW is seeing for the RS, I hope they are all over their bottleneck suppliers to pump out as many roofs, hoods, and engines as they can. Why did they do an additional 2016 run of GT3s and not build more RSs cars? I can't believe that PAG/VW will leave that much money on the table.
Throwing allocations right and left is not good for cool aid. That's why it takes time. Maybe Porsche have been to cautious? It's just the way they do it. Rich people don't like to wait. I want know. How much do you want? Some wait and pay less. When run is over that's when real market value show. Could be $150k over. My crystal ball says different.
12-13-2015 | 01:44 AM
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12-13-2015 | 05:05 PM
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couple things for perspective:
2007-early 2008: economy was on fire- RS was asking premium of 20-30k at start of production to 75-100k towards mid summer. some super high option cars asking 225-250k. I got mine for MSRP.
late 2008- US econ takes massive dump. RS prices instantly go into free fall, trending around msrp +/-15k depending on spec.
2009- cars available from around 110k (20+k off msrp)
late 2009, 997.2 announced.
2010- 997.2 GT3//RS available. not limited, more are produced, less premiums but still some sellers and dealers are asking up to 50k over. I got mine for MSRP
2011- impending with release of PDK for future generations, begins the notion that "oh crap they won't make manuals anymore AND GT1 based engine will be discontinued"
2011- RS 4.0 Released, SUPER Limited. but, with MSRP 50k above the already awesome RS, not all cars are immediately sold. 3.8RS values hold, slight increase 5-15k.
2012-2014 all GT3RS markets are normalized.
2014: 991GT3 released with PDK only. 3.6RS and 3.8RS values immediately start climbing.
2014: Porsche issues recall on the 9A1 based GT3 due to 3 engine fires. 3.6 and 3.8RS values explode upwards, the 4.0RS blows past 300k into 350k
2015: Gt3RS 991 sold, glowing reviews, some luddites don't like PDK or rear steering, values of 997 based cars continue their increase.
2015: dealers start gouging customers for 25, 40, 60, 75, 100, 125, 150k over on asking prices. 4.0RS 997 shoots past 400k, some examples asking 570k or more (delivery miles, PTS)
rarity index w/ round numbers:
4.0RS - 600 worldwide
3.6RS- ~800 Worldwide- 700ish in 2007, 120-ish 2008
3.8RS- 1500 worldwide
991RS: ~2000?
2007-early 2008: economy was on fire- RS was asking premium of 20-30k at start of production to 75-100k towards mid summer. some super high option cars asking 225-250k. I got mine for MSRP.
late 2008- US econ takes massive dump. RS prices instantly go into free fall, trending around msrp +/-15k depending on spec.
2009- cars available from around 110k (20+k off msrp)
late 2009, 997.2 announced.
2010- 997.2 GT3//RS available. not limited, more are produced, less premiums but still some sellers and dealers are asking up to 50k over. I got mine for MSRP
2011- impending with release of PDK for future generations, begins the notion that "oh crap they won't make manuals anymore AND GT1 based engine will be discontinued"
2011- RS 4.0 Released, SUPER Limited. but, with MSRP 50k above the already awesome RS, not all cars are immediately sold. 3.8RS values hold, slight increase 5-15k.
2012-2014 all GT3RS markets are normalized.
2014: 991GT3 released with PDK only. 3.6RS and 3.8RS values immediately start climbing.
2014: Porsche issues recall on the 9A1 based GT3 due to 3 engine fires. 3.6 and 3.8RS values explode upwards, the 4.0RS blows past 300k into 350k
2015: Gt3RS 991 sold, glowing reviews, some luddites don't like PDK or rear steering, values of 997 based cars continue their increase.
2015: dealers start gouging customers for 25, 40, 60, 75, 100, 125, 150k over on asking prices. 4.0RS 997 shoots past 400k, some examples asking 570k or more (delivery miles, PTS)
rarity index w/ round numbers:
4.0RS - 600 worldwide
3.6RS- ~800 Worldwide- 700ish in 2007, 120-ish 2008
3.8RS- 1500 worldwide
991RS: ~2000?
12-13-2015 | 05:24 PM
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12-13-2015 | 05:59 PM
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If you find that out tell me what next weeks lottery numbers are or where the stock market will be in 2020.
Questions like this are the reason for the craziness, speculation, and flipping.
Brand new cars appreciating like investments are a bubble waiting to pop! Guys buying these cars as golden eggs are in for a big surprise when they realize most cars aren't good investments. Buying $150K+ cars and thinking you can drive them for free is a bit of a fairy tale that will soon end.
Questions like this are the reason for the craziness, speculation, and flipping.
Brand new cars appreciating like investments are a bubble waiting to pop! Guys buying these cars as golden eggs are in for a big surprise when they realize most cars aren't good investments. Buying $150K+ cars and thinking you can drive them for free is a bit of a fairy tale that will soon end.
12-13-2015 | 06:03 PM
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They kept making 2016 gt3 because people still wanted to buy them. It took a lot longer due to the stop sale and engine recall. Not a normal situation.
Throwing allocations right and left is not good for cool aid. That's why it takes time. Maybe Porsche have been to cautious? It's just the way they do it. Rich people don't like to wait. I want know. How much do you want? Some wait and pay less. When run is over that's when real market value show. Could be $150k over. My crystal ball says different.
Throwing allocations right and left is not good for cool aid. That's why it takes time. Maybe Porsche have been to cautious? It's just the way they do it. Rich people don't like to wait. I want know. How much do you want? Some wait and pay less. When run is over that's when real market value show. Could be $150k over. My crystal ball says different.
