sccchiii

I guess we all need to agree on what qualifies as "limited"?

neanicu

A good Porsche historian(Eduardo)/enthusiast can take a pretty good guess,judging by past production numbers. Multiply that with today's modern production capabilities and your estimate will be pretty accurate.

sparkyglenn

It would be great if the GT3 came with a manual but I just don't know if it's in the Porsche cards. They have had so much focus and intention on the fastest track car idk if they will eat their words.

I hope they do since I suspect the 911R will be out of my reach compared to a GT3.

Onibas

In Europe does nearly a month I have been offered by the VIP program. 911 units in total. Price not yet known. I think all sold.
This comes as compensation for the long wait and delays 918 (tried to make us smile with 7 TT S Edition 918 Spyder but failed). Then they said the 1.RS would be manual and limited edition, either. We'll see this.

STG

Fill the gap for something to sell when there will be no 2017 GT3. Have to keep the frenzy and markups going.

The 918 has a very good financial return. Flipping VIP allocations is very profitable.

neanicu

I've stated in the past I don't have a problem with 918 owners and the VIP program. It sucks that some of these cars end up in collections,but it certainly isn't the 918 owner's fault.
Whether it can get profitable for them flipping allocations,I look at the situation differently : if you're going to purchase a million dollars car,you must be worth in the double digits,or even triple digits...some a lot more...so common sense tells me : can one of these people be interested in making a couple hundred grand by flipping some cars? It doesn't make sense to me...

CAlexio

More money you have, the easier it is to make. But unless that money came easy, you still value the dollar. It takes serious wealth not sneeze at $200k flip profit. I think 918 owners enjoy the opportunity as much as the rest of us would. All is fair in love and games.. And Porsche world.

anonymous918

really? you think that a 918 owner flipping a GT4 for 10K over MSRP will come even close to covering their insurance and sales tax on a 918? not even close - which is why most people don't bother.

most, if not all, 918 owners who got GT3RS at MSRP price are keeping theirs. those who will flip it, are not going to get $200k profit for it - probably not even half of that... so I think most 918 owners are not the ones flipping their GT3RS cars - and why would you? it is an amazing car produced in low numbers. just because you see dealers mark up their GT3RS cars, it doesn't mean 918 owners have anything to do with it.

calvinchan

From what I noticed majority of the "low mile" pre own gt4s selling 10-20k over at dealerships are being sold by their "918 clients"

STG

You may be the exception, but yes! How long is the program for? 10yrs?

Most of these market adjusted cars are 918 VIP cars, which the dealers have deals with the 918 owners. Buy the allocation off them and then mark it up even further. Most 918 owners will not be buying every allocation they get.

There's a RL'er here who posts a lot that got a GT4 over MSRP car off a 918 allocation!

In my opinion, Porsche made a huge mistake giving away the house on this one just to make sure all the 918's sold. They made a bad call. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

calvinchan

^yup.. Throughout my whole process trying to get my gt3/4 they were majority 918 allocations selling at mark up.

anonymous918

I can... and I will. the VIP program is there to reward Porsche fans for buying a million dollar supercar. it is not like you get every new GT3RS for free for the rest of their lives. you still have to wait like the rest and you still have to pay like the rest. the only difference is you don't pay over MSRP - which is a great way to treat your best clients, the ones who gave you one million dollars for a car.

sure, the program has bad apples and i hope they get caught and kicked out from the program, but to say this program is a bad call and a mistake, well, it is not from where I am sitting

STG

How about their best clients who have been buying their cars for 10, 20, 30+ years?? Life long customers getting the shaft. Many with over a million dollars in total purchases.

Does someone really need to be rewarded for buying a million dollar car? I would think being able to buy one is a reward in itself.

neanicu

Well,everyone has their own perspective,but if I'd be worth triple digits,making some profit on a couple of Porsches would be as worthy as if I start collecting cans right about now and return them for pennies.

STG

Some of the most thrifty people are millionaires and billionaires. They didn't make it by printing it. There are those who were born into it too who have no appreciation for hard work as well.

Back to my point, it's the dealers who are working their 918 customers and allocations to their advantage. Kick the owner 30K for an RS, and then mark it up 100K themselves.

It's no secret. Geez. Nothing else to say.