997 GT3 vs. 991 GT3
05-10-2015, 09:54 PM
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05-11-2015, 12:37 AM
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Mid-Ohio could prove interesting next month.
05-11-2015, 01:56 AM
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Drifting
FWIW from a newbie who had driven them both and toiled over the decision for 6 months a quick review and opinion:
-No comparison on the fit in finish, the 991 is better everywhere
-Overall the car looks more aggressive (font end) and less dated
-Better front end bite on the 991. Some miss the "light front end" 997's
-It is faster and feels freaking explosive above 5K. Yes, explosive.
-Any perceived torque loss to the Mezger is crushed by the top end hit
-I love the dual nature of a PDK car. Not all do. But I think it adds value
-The auto is easy in traffic, to dinner, parking. PDK turns animal quickly
-I had manuals for 20 years. I wanted to try PDK and paddles
-Just as involving, but in a different way for me.
-I couldn't justify 135K, no warranty for a 4 or 5 year old car
-Drive one if you haven't
My 2 cents. I bought a 991
-No comparison on the fit in finish, the 991 is better everywhere
-Overall the car looks more aggressive (font end) and less dated
-Better front end bite on the 991. Some miss the "light front end" 997's
-It is faster and feels freaking explosive above 5K. Yes, explosive.
-Any perceived torque loss to the Mezger is crushed by the top end hit
-I love the dual nature of a PDK car. Not all do. But I think it adds value
-The auto is easy in traffic, to dinner, parking. PDK turns animal quickly
-I had manuals for 20 years. I wanted to try PDK and paddles
-Just as involving, but in a different way for me.
-I couldn't justify 135K, no warranty for a 4 or 5 year old car
-Drive one if you haven't
My 2 cents. I bought a 991
05-11-2015, 01:59 AM
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05-11-2015, 02:11 AM
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In comparing my 991 gt3 to old 997.2 gt3 , the new car is better in every way possible. Just no match. It feels like it moved few generations forward. The handling is sublime , it's faster better looking ... Just overall feels like a supercar.
05-11-2015, 04:42 AM
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FWIW from a newbie who had driven them both and toiled over the decision for 6 months a quick review and opinion:
-No comparison on the fit in finish, the 991 is better everywhere
-Overall the car looks more aggressive (font end) and less dated
-Better front end bite on the 991. Some miss the "light front end" 997's
-It is faster and feels freaking explosive above 5K. Yes, explosive.
-Any perceived torque loss to the Mezger is crushed by the top end hit
-I love the dual nature of a PDK car. Not all do. But I think it adds value
-The auto is easy in traffic, to dinner, parking. PDK turns animal quickly
-I had manuals for 20 years. I wanted to try PDK and paddles
-Just as involving, but in a different way for me.
-I couldn't justify 135K, no warranty for a 4 or 5 year old car
-Drive one if you haven't
My 2 cents. I bought a 991
-No comparison on the fit in finish, the 991 is better everywhere
-Overall the car looks more aggressive (font end) and less dated
-Better front end bite on the 991. Some miss the "light front end" 997's
-It is faster and feels freaking explosive above 5K. Yes, explosive.
-Any perceived torque loss to the Mezger is crushed by the top end hit
-I love the dual nature of a PDK car. Not all do. But I think it adds value
-The auto is easy in traffic, to dinner, parking. PDK turns animal quickly
-I had manuals for 20 years. I wanted to try PDK and paddles
-Just as involving, but in a different way for me.
-I couldn't justify 135K, no warranty for a 4 or 5 year old car
-Drive one if you haven't
My 2 cents. I bought a 991
Read that, then saw your avatar, made my day!
05-11-2015, 08:16 AM
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05-11-2015, 09:38 AM
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I am fortunate to have both a 997.1 gt3 bought with 11K miles now with 24K after 3 yrs of ownership and a 991 Gt3. Have tracked the new one 3X this month and am faster and more consistent. I smile when driving either one. 2700 miles now on the new one. For me the heel toe is/was both stressful and rewarding. This was new for me never having done this before.
With the new one I just lightly brake,turn in, tires grip like crazy, start rolling on the throttle before the apex and go, go,go.
Did hire the same personal coach who helped me in previous 2 911s including the 07 gt3. Well worth it.
With the new one I just lightly brake,turn in, tires grip like crazy, start rolling on the throttle before the apex and go, go,go.
Did hire the same personal coach who helped me in previous 2 911s including the 07 gt3. Well worth it.
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05-11-2015, 01:14 PM
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Drifting
05-11-2015, 01:40 PM
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05-11-2015, 09:17 PM
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FWIW from a newbie who had driven them both and toiled over the decision for 6 months a quick review and opinion:
-No comparison on the fit in finish, the 991 is better everywhere
-Overall the car looks more aggressive (font end) and less dated
-Better front end bite on the 991. Some miss the "light front end" 997's
-It is faster and feels freaking explosive above 5K. Yes, explosive.
-Any perceived torque loss to the Mezger is crushed by the top end hit
-I love the dual nature of a PDK car. Not all do. But I think it adds value
-The auto is easy in traffic, to dinner, parking. PDK turns animal quickly
-I had manuals for 20 years. I wanted to try PDK and paddles
-Just as involving, but in a different way for me.
-I couldn't justify 135K, no warranty for a 4 or 5 year old car
-Drive one if you haven't
My 2 cents. I bought a 991
-No comparison on the fit in finish, the 991 is better everywhere
-Overall the car looks more aggressive (font end) and less dated
-Better front end bite on the 991. Some miss the "light front end" 997's
-It is faster and feels freaking explosive above 5K. Yes, explosive.
-Any perceived torque loss to the Mezger is crushed by the top end hit
-I love the dual nature of a PDK car. Not all do. But I think it adds value
-The auto is easy in traffic, to dinner, parking. PDK turns animal quickly
-I had manuals for 20 years. I wanted to try PDK and paddles
-Just as involving, but in a different way for me.
-I couldn't justify 135K, no warranty for a 4 or 5 year old car
-Drive one if you haven't
My 2 cents. I bought a 991
- Have had a 997.2 GT3 and tracked the car 5-6 times per year.
- Great handling and quick.
- Loved the sound of the exhaust.
- Thing to remember is clutch is very heavy and if you plan to commute a lot, can become tiring.
- Now have 991GT3 and one track event under my belt (Mid Ohio). While I was within 8/10ths of my best time in 997.2, it was crazy fast (read, shifts) and easy to navigate. Plan on getting a new personal best next time out.
- On the street the car is easier to drive and smoother due to longer wheelbase
- I like having the latest technology features. Simple $hit like auto headlights, beep to confirm doors locked, improved PCM
- Was never a fan of rear bumperettes on 997 and love the rear of the 991; Euro version even better than U.S.
- There is a small part of me that misses shifting. Not on the track but cruising around town (no traffic).
05-12-2015, 12:20 AM
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You'll definitely enjoy the PDK this weekend.
05-12-2015, 04:07 PM
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Drifting
+1. Ditto on these observations.
- Have had a 997.2 GT3 and tracked the car 5-6 times per year.
- Great handling and quick.
- Loved the sound of the exhaust.
- Thing to remember is clutch is very heavy and if you plan to commute a lot, can become tiring.
- Now have 991GT3 and one track event under my belt (Mid Ohio). While I was within 8/10ths of my best time in 997.2, it was crazy fast (read, shifts) and easy to navigate. Plan on getting a new personal best next time out.
- On the street the car is easier to drive and smoother due to longer wheelbase
- I like having the latest technology features. Simple $hit like auto headlights, beep to confirm doors locked, improved PCM
- Was never a fan of rear bumperettes on 997 and love the rear of the 991; Euro version even better than U.S.
- There is a small part of me that misses shifting. Not on the track but cruising around town (no traffic).
- Have had a 997.2 GT3 and tracked the car 5-6 times per year.
- Great handling and quick.
- Loved the sound of the exhaust.
- Thing to remember is clutch is very heavy and if you plan to commute a lot, can become tiring.
- Now have 991GT3 and one track event under my belt (Mid Ohio). While I was within 8/10ths of my best time in 997.2, it was crazy fast (read, shifts) and easy to navigate. Plan on getting a new personal best next time out.
- On the street the car is easier to drive and smoother due to longer wheelbase
- I like having the latest technology features. Simple $hit like auto headlights, beep to confirm doors locked, improved PCM
- Was never a fan of rear bumperettes on 997 and love the rear of the 991; Euro version even better than U.S.
- There is a small part of me that misses shifting. Not on the track but cruising around town (no traffic).
05-12-2015, 06:39 PM
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To me, this is very straightforward.
If you value the manual transmission driving experience.....the 997 GT3 is your choice.
If you are OK with the PDK-S transmission, then the 991 GT3 is clearly the better and faster car (less understeer, less oversteer, overall better chassis). The electric power steering should not be a deal breaker for most drivers, and the PTV plus/rear wheel steer are not really noticeable to drivers when pushing on the track.
In fact, I would go on to say that if you value the manual transmission driving experience, the new Cayman GT4 may be even better than the 997 GT3 given its mid-engine layout and superior 991 chassis bits.
If you value the manual transmission driving experience.....the 997 GT3 is your choice.
If you are OK with the PDK-S transmission, then the 991 GT3 is clearly the better and faster car (less understeer, less oversteer, overall better chassis). The electric power steering should not be a deal breaker for most drivers, and the PTV plus/rear wheel steer are not really noticeable to drivers when pushing on the track.
In fact, I would go on to say that if you value the manual transmission driving experience, the new Cayman GT4 may be even better than the 997 GT3 given its mid-engine layout and superior 991 chassis bits.
05-12-2015, 08:07 PM
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my 997 gt3 was a precision driving experience ...I loved every minute of it.
The 991 gt3 is like you are in a missile ...you don't drive it you aim it!
Elliot
The 991 gt3 is like you are in a missile ...you don't drive it you aim it!
Elliot