991 GT3 vs. Ferrari 458
11-02-2015, 06:44 AM
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2 things with the utmost respect.....
Your friend is one of two things...dumb or not smart. You won't see me taking a dumb price for my cars for any of my friends money is money.
You are concerned about wrong thing...at $160k for a 2013 I suggest you get over the "2 years older" issue. Just get in and rev the engine and you'll forget about what year it is!
Your friend is one of two things...dumb or not smart. You won't see me taking a dumb price for my cars for any of my friends money is money.
You are concerned about wrong thing...at $160k for a 2013 I suggest you get over the "2 years older" issue. Just get in and rev the engine and you'll forget about what year it is!
Ok but just remember going to F1 made no difference to sales other than go up and the same talk took place. Turbos won't make a difference for the majority in Ferrari crowd. 5 of 6 of our group that tracks the 458s have already placed orders for 488. They simply move down the line to newest model. Meanwhile I'm the old *** that hasn't sold one of them that I have bought in 20+ years. I still have my relic 355 also but what do I know?
11-02-2015, 08:14 AM
#137
Three Wheelin'
I have 5 Ferraris currently and my 355 is still imo one of the best sounding at full revs. Value wise I wish I could take credit but I'm not a smart guy.....I buy to drive and enjoy and have never cared about "car investing". You can throw a dart into a crowd of Ferrari, Porsche, or any other collector marque and find incredible increase in values as the collector car market has exploded and attracted lots of "investors" that can't earn any return on money anywhere else. When they pull out expect a little hiccup in values and I still won't give a rats ***! You'll see me with 50k miles on my 512TR with a big fat grin on my face like its my first drive!
03-22-2020, 01:30 AM
#138
Indeed a good read..
seems i am not the only one who thinks the GT3 RS 3.8...rather special(e)
"So this is it. This is evo. This is the car that we hold aloft as the one that has reached the highest heights in this crazy mixed-up world we call the Thrill of Driving. The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 3.8.
It was a fantastically diverse test and every car in the top 20 was extraordinary. Doubts? Of course. There were always doubts that a duffer would emerge, or that earlier judgments were incorrect, or that some of the older cars would feel just plain geriatric. But every car in the top 20 positively radiated brilliance.
We had two front-engined cars in the final, and two with mid-engines. One was front-wheel drive and the rest rear-wheel drive. Cylinders came in Vs and straights with four, eight and ten pistons blasting up and down inside them. But it’s the only car with six flat cylinders and the engine at the rear that wins. And it wins by a cigarette paper, one of those very, very thin cigarette papers.
The Ferrari 458 Speciale came close. Extremely close. ‘I love the Speciale’s manic energy and the immediacy of its controls,’ explains Dickie Meaden. ‘It’s exuberant if you want it to be, but underneath that wildness is an incredible level of composure. It’s a racer at heart, but it works brilliantly on the road.’
That it fights and almost wins against a car that is so aligned with the more analogue leanings of the team is remarkable, and while the GT3 RS should be celebrated as the best of the past 200 issues, it’s the Speciale that sets the benchmark for the next 200.
So what is it about the GT3 RS that elevates it above the others? John Barker explains: ‘Take the best bits of everything else in this whole test, cram them into a ridiculously compact shell and you’ve got the 911 GT3 RS.’
‘If the Speciale is a masterclass in response, the GT3 RS is the definitive lesson in feedback,’ adds Jethro. ‘The steering – I know we’re forever banging on about bloody steering! – is truly special, bubbling and wriggling with the most wonderful detail. Not just of the road surface but flowing information about weight transfer, the shifts in balance that are at the core of this car.’
At this point Henry chips in: ‘The way its damping copes with the Welsh roads is just perfect and not once did I feel like the mighty Mezger wasn’t strong enough. What’s more, the suppleness in the suspension set-up means that I could enjoy all these lovely adjustable 911 feelings even when we were just pottering along in the morning at five- or six-tenths.’
Back to Barker: ‘This is the best balanced of all RSs for me. The ride and handling are perfectly balanced, the crazy top end of the 3.8 is plenty crazy enough, the heft of the hefty gearshift is as hefty as I’d want it and there’s nothing I want more of from an RS.’
‘It’s alive at all times,’ explains Jethro, ‘and you feel the weight shifting around, the slight softness of response as you guide it gently into easy curves. But then the transformation when you decide to snap between direction changes is incredible. Suddenly the front-end is pinned and the traction is, of course, almost surreal.
‘The Speciale is more expressive if you just love oversteer, but the constant dialogue of the GT3 RS is perhaps even more immersive. And when you finally get to the point where the car is sliding around, the rewards are out of this world… And through all that I didn’t even mention the engine! Which is extraordinary!’
The final words go to Dickie: ‘As much as I love the Speciale, the RS is a tougher, grittier experience. Of course you have to drive the Speciale to get the best from it, but ultimately there’s less to get to know. The RS demands a broader skill set and greater intimacy with its ways and foibles before you’re able or confident enough to push it"
cf:
http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/uk...babd5/web.html
"So this is it. This is evo. This is the car that we hold aloft as the one that has reached the highest heights in this crazy mixed-up world we call the Thrill of Driving. The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 3.8.
It was a fantastically diverse test and every car in the top 20 was extraordinary. Doubts? Of course. There were always doubts that a duffer would emerge, or that earlier judgments were incorrect, or that some of the older cars would feel just plain geriatric. But every car in the top 20 positively radiated brilliance.
We had two front-engined cars in the final, and two with mid-engines. One was front-wheel drive and the rest rear-wheel drive. Cylinders came in Vs and straights with four, eight and ten pistons blasting up and down inside them. But it’s the only car with six flat cylinders and the engine at the rear that wins. And it wins by a cigarette paper, one of those very, very thin cigarette papers.
The Ferrari 458 Speciale came close. Extremely close. ‘I love the Speciale’s manic energy and the immediacy of its controls,’ explains Dickie Meaden. ‘It’s exuberant if you want it to be, but underneath that wildness is an incredible level of composure. It’s a racer at heart, but it works brilliantly on the road.’
That it fights and almost wins against a car that is so aligned with the more analogue leanings of the team is remarkable, and while the GT3 RS should be celebrated as the best of the past 200 issues, it’s the Speciale that sets the benchmark for the next 200.
So what is it about the GT3 RS that elevates it above the others? John Barker explains: ‘Take the best bits of everything else in this whole test, cram them into a ridiculously compact shell and you’ve got the 911 GT3 RS.’
‘If the Speciale is a masterclass in response, the GT3 RS is the definitive lesson in feedback,’ adds Jethro. ‘The steering – I know we’re forever banging on about bloody steering! – is truly special, bubbling and wriggling with the most wonderful detail. Not just of the road surface but flowing information about weight transfer, the shifts in balance that are at the core of this car.’
At this point Henry chips in: ‘The way its damping copes with the Welsh roads is just perfect and not once did I feel like the mighty Mezger wasn’t strong enough. What’s more, the suppleness in the suspension set-up means that I could enjoy all these lovely adjustable 911 feelings even when we were just pottering along in the morning at five- or six-tenths.’
Back to Barker: ‘This is the best balanced of all RSs for me. The ride and handling are perfectly balanced, the crazy top end of the 3.8 is plenty crazy enough, the heft of the hefty gearshift is as hefty as I’d want it and there’s nothing I want more of from an RS.’
‘It’s alive at all times,’ explains Jethro, ‘and you feel the weight shifting around, the slight softness of response as you guide it gently into easy curves. But then the transformation when you decide to snap between direction changes is incredible. Suddenly the front-end is pinned and the traction is, of course, almost surreal.
‘The Speciale is more expressive if you just love oversteer, but the constant dialogue of the GT3 RS is perhaps even more immersive. And when you finally get to the point where the car is sliding around, the rewards are out of this world… And through all that I didn’t even mention the engine! Which is extraordinary!’
The final words go to Dickie: ‘As much as I love the Speciale, the RS is a tougher, grittier experience. Of course you have to drive the Speciale to get the best from it, but ultimately there’s less to get to know. The RS demands a broader skill set and greater intimacy with its ways and foibles before you’re able or confident enough to push it"
cf:
http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/uk...babd5/web.html
