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Old 07-06-2014, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
These cars may not be for sale, and I bet they're all sold. Sold cars will show up automatically on the dealer site because they have not been delivered. Once the owner takes delivery the listing will exit the system.
This.

And the dealership go fishing with these cars. They advertise them, but they are sold and help build the picture of high demand for potential buyers. This way they can do market adjustments above msrp. Californians are so gullible!
Old 07-06-2014, 01:03 PM
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That is very true. There was a thread recently where someone called those dealerships, and they were, in fact, ordered cars already sold.
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Nizer, just sent pm, thx
Old 07-06-2014, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by doubleurx
That is very true. There was a thread recently where someone called those dealerships, and they were, in fact, ordered cars already sold.
Exactly. I feel like we've been through this several times on this forum, in different threads.

Autotrader, Cars.com, even the dealer websites. Just call and you'll find almost bone of those cars are actually available / unspoken for.
Old 07-06-2014, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
These cars may not be for sale, and I bet they're all sold. Sold cars will show up automatically on the dealer site because they have not been delivered. Once the owner takes delivery the listing will exit the system.
Originally Posted by ranger22
This.

And the dealership go fishing with these cars. They advertise them, but they are sold and help build the picture of high demand for potential buyers. This way they can do market adjustments above msrp. Californians are so gullible!
Originally Posted by doubleurx
That is very true. There was a thread recently where someone called those dealerships, and they were, in fact, ordered cars already sold.
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Exactly. I feel like we've been through this several times on this forum, in different threads.

Autotrader, Cars.com, even the dealer websites. Just call and you'll find almost bone of those cars are actually available / unspoken for.
Gents: That is normally the case. But we have a different situation here. The gt3's being bought back by PCNA have to be channeled back into the market somewhere. And I believe this is what we are seeing with many of these cars in Cars.com & AutoTrader. And it might be particularly true with Pacific & Circle. But let's dig deeper into it (since a 'bone' has been mentioned & I love canine pet tricks) and find out!

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Old 07-06-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Z356
Gents: That is normally the case. But we have a different situation here. The gt3's being bought back by PCNA have to be channeled back into the market somewhere. And I believe this is what we are seeing with many of these cars in Cars.com & AutoTrader. And it might be particularly true with Pacific & Circle. But let's dig deeper into it (since a 'bone' has been mentioned & I love canine pet tricks) and find out! Saludos, Eduardo Carmel
An autocorrect mistake. Yes, I meant "none" not "bone."
Old 07-06-2014, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 0Q991
An autocorrect mistake. Yes, I meant "none" not "bone."
I know. I just didn't want a bone to pick with you!

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Old 07-06-2014, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Z356
Gents: That is normally the case. But we have a different situation here. The gt3's being bought back by PCNA have to be channeled back into the market somewhere. And I believe this is what we are seeing with many of these cars in Cars.com & AutoTrader. And it might be particularly true with Pacific & Circle. But let's dig deeper into it (since a 'bone' has been mentioned & I love canine pet tricks) and find out!

Saludos,
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FWIW, cars bought back by Porsche lose their priority for engine replacement. They go to the end of the line. I suppose some turned their cars in AFTER the engine replacement but it can't be many. Its too early in the process.
Old 07-06-2014, 02:33 PM
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^Very True
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Old 07-06-2014, 02:51 PM
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Guys keep fooling yourselves that cars aren't available. They're out there. Many people have backed out of spots and will continue to do so.
Old 07-06-2014, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rosenbergendo
Guys keep fooling yourselves that cars aren't available. They're out there. Many people have backed out of spots and will continue to do so.
Cool. Why don't tell us where the available cars are? We'd love to know.
Old 07-06-2014, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rosenbergendo
Guys keep fooling yourselves that cars aren't available. They're out there. Many people have backed out of spots and will continue to do so.
Guys, if you can get one, do so...it is the greatest car out there for anywhere near the money. Anyone who backs out will soon regret it, that is my guess. I am usually a very impatient person, but I am glad I waited this one out.
Old 07-06-2014, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rosenbergendo
Guys keep fooling yourselves that cars aren't available. They're out there. Many people have backed out of spots and will continue to do so.
Correctamundo.

Originally Posted by Nick
FWIW, cars bought back by Porsche lose their priority for engine replacement. They go to the end of the line.
Gents: This is now 'business' and 'cash flow'. Once they have been bought back, PCNA's highest priority is to get these gt3's re-sold to get their cash back ASAP! Remember that anything could happen, real or imagined rumor, that might leave the fate of these gt3's in a new limbo (e.g. new reports of engine failures in the replacement units). I am not expecting that. I am just saying that it could happen. And if that occurs, PCNA & PAG would not want to get stuck with all of these expensive gt3 'buy-backs' in their inventory. It would not be fiscally prudent.

So frankly, if you really do think that these gt3's back in the hands of PCNA will not get any priority re: engine replacement so that they can quickly sold/auctioned off, I have an old quaint bridge to sell you!

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Old 07-06-2014, 03:16 PM
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I don't think we are fooling ourselves that you can't find one available. One can be had with a little of luck and good timing jus like any hot Xmas toy or a daytona watch or what ever you can think of that is reasonable. On the flip side don't fool yourself that you can walk up to your local dealer and drive one off the lot today. At the end of the day, there's not a lot of them available and don't be surprise that folks are paying over msrp.


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