Jag better steering feel than 991?
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Not to deviate from the subject but they offer a $12K wheel option and their carbon ceramics are $12K as well. And I thought Porsche options were ridiculously priced.
Edit: The upgraded wheels adds the CC brakes.
Edit: The upgraded wheels adds the CC brakes.
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But this is to totally ignore how the force is assisting. It is this that fundamentally creates the difference between electric and hydraulic power steering systems and is why electric cannot match hydraulic in terms beyond the turn wheel/car turns relationship which infact all steering systems meet. It is this physical difference that is the reason for the disparity, it is not a software issue and its not an issue of sensitivity.
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But this is to totally ignore how the force is assisting. It is this that fundamentally creates the difference between electric and hydraulic power steering systems and is why electric cannot match hydraulic in terms beyond the turn wheel/car turns relationship which infact all steering systems meet. It is this physical difference that is the reason for the disparity, it is not a software issue and its not an issue of sensitivity.
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With hydraulic steering a double acting hydraulic cylinder applies force to the steering gear. In an electric system a software controlled electric motor applies force to the steering gear. The method for applying force is nowhere near as important as the overall design of the steering system. There are crappy hydraulic systems and crappy electric systems and vice versa. As Max points out electric motors have replaced hydraulics in other fields and I don't see any inherent reason why an ES can't be just as good as a hydraulic system.
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I drove the Jag Vert on track and it was an absolute blast! I grinned ear to ear for ages afterwards.
While I love my 911s and my cup cars...I've never once gotten out and felt giddy...adrenaline to the max yes...but never quite "fun".
The Jag is fun above all else and for a street car that makes a ton of sense. We can never push a 911 on the street so why not have a ton of fun??
I'm negotiating now to buy an F type! Can't wait. Before driving it I was super skeptical! Go out and drive one!!
While I love my 911s and my cup cars...I've never once gotten out and felt giddy...adrenaline to the max yes...but never quite "fun".
The Jag is fun above all else and for a street car that makes a ton of sense. We can never push a 911 on the street so why not have a ton of fun??
I'm negotiating now to buy an F type! Can't wait. Before driving it I was super skeptical! Go out and drive one!!
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With hydraulic steering a double acting hydraulic cylinder applies force to the steering gear. In an electric system a software controlled electric motor applies force to the steering gear. The method for applying force is nowhere near as important as the overall design of the steering system. There are crappy hydraulic systems and crappy electric systems and vice versa. As Max points out electric motors have replaced hydraulics in other fields and I don't see any inherent reason why an ES can't be just as good as a hydraulic system.
You underestimate the force application. Hydraulic action makes it easier for you to push, the electric motor feels like it is helping you by pulling. The sense of control is dramatically different as a result. Try it with a heavy box if you want a myth busters afternoon and have a spare friend to push/pull.
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It can certainly be as good in terms of function. It already is. You turn the wheel and the car steers. Perfect.
You underestimate the force application. Hydraulic action makes it easier for you to push, the electric motor feels like it is helping you by pulling. The sense of control is dramatically different as a result. Try it with a heavy box if you want a myth busters afternoon and have a spare friend to push/pull.
You underestimate the force application. Hydraulic action makes it easier for you to push, the electric motor feels like it is helping you by pulling. The sense of control is dramatically different as a result. Try it with a heavy box if you want a myth busters afternoon and have a spare friend to push/pull.
Don't know if you've seen this depiction of how the electric assist works, It's kind of interesting.
youtube.com/watch?v=qxWxq4G7YU4
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