991 RS might be available with a manual
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Sorry to burst your bubble boys - Preuninger went on the record a long time ago stating that there is no chance in hell the RS will have a manual.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...s-RS-for-2014/
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...s-RS-for-2014/
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Sorry to burst your bubble boys - Preuninger went on the record a long time ago stating that there is no chance in hell the RS will have a manual.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...s-RS-for-2014/
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...s-RS-for-2014/
I already checked, I fit in the new Cayman.
With proper seats and harness, GT3 calipers and around 450HP it would be a 100k killer track day car with a manual.
BGB in Ormond beach is already building them in cooperation with Suncoast
http://www.teambgb.com/for_build.aspPorsche. He will build you one for about $90k
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To my great sadness (as I was really looking forward to a manual 991GT3) Porsche does not strike me as the kind of car company to go back on a decision like this (pdk only). My dealer tells me there is barely enough GT3s to get around so I am not sure how or why they would even begin to ponder a MT at this point in time. Making the faster and more expensive car with the optional MT makes no sense.
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RS is a special edition GT3, right?
"But I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 with a manual gearbox, and I am also a fan of the manual gearbox. So maybe if we release a special edition of the new GT3, we might fit a manual gearbox."
-- Matthias Müller, Porsche AG CEO. Rennteam post.
"But I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 with a manual gearbox, and I am also a fan of the manual gearbox. So maybe if we release a special edition of the new GT3, we might fit a manual gearbox."
-- Matthias Müller, Porsche AG CEO. Rennteam post.
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Preuninger can say all he wants about GT car development being all about the performance, but everyone here knows that the bean counters usually have the final say.
If Porsche thinks there is a viable market for manual RS's then they will exist.
If Porsche thinks there is a viable market for manual RS's then they will exist.
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RS is a special edition GT3, right?
"But I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 with a manual gearbox, and I am also a fan of the manual gearbox. So maybe if we release a special edition of the new GT3, we might fit a manual gearbox."
-- Matthias Müller, Porsche AG CEO. Rennteam post.
"But I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 with a manual gearbox, and I am also a fan of the manual gearbox. So maybe if we release a special edition of the new GT3, we might fit a manual gearbox."
-- Matthias Müller, Porsche AG CEO. Rennteam post.
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even if they charged $400,000 for a manual RS, to make it "special" they have to limit production. at 1000 units for $400k a copy, sure, margin is huge per unit, but in the grand scheme of PAG/VWAG's P&L, it's just a tiny blip. if i were a bean counter, i would vote no without any calculation. of course, that's not where my heart is, but i dont have controlling shares of PAG.
we are the minority.
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i dont think it's about viable mkt, it's more about moving forward as at SOME point, manual will all go away.
even if they charged $400,000 for a manual RS, to make it "special" they have to limit production. at 1000 units for $400k a copy, sure, margin is huge per unit, but in the grand scheme of PAG/VWAG's P&L, it's just a tiny blip. if i were a bean counter, i would vote no without any calculation. of course, that's not where my heart is, but i dont have controlling shares of PAG.
we are the minority.
even if they charged $400,000 for a manual RS, to make it "special" they have to limit production. at 1000 units for $400k a copy, sure, margin is huge per unit, but in the grand scheme of PAG/VWAG's P&L, it's just a tiny blip. if i were a bean counter, i would vote no without any calculation. of course, that's not where my heart is, but i dont have controlling shares of PAG.
we are the minority.
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Whether they'll go back to offer a manual or not is not that important to me anymore. Sure,I'd love it,but unfortunately they've been pissing off a lot of people lately. If latest reliability concerns prove to be founded or not,the rumor mill can't be stopped from spinning,especially in the Internet day and age and a lot of damage has been done.
Some people,myself included,might not look at Porsche with the same eyes they used to look before. Heck,if I look at some of my early posts,I could really get a good laugh,I was completely submerged and blinded by the " best engineered sports car ". I could " take my sword " out and fight for my beliefs. Well...times have changed...the competition is fiercer than ever...and Porsche needs to really step up like never before to reclaim the " throne ".
Whether a manual transmission will help them or not,I don't know...but I doubt it...the young generation,including baby boomers want the latest and greatest technology,whether it's a laser toaster or a fast car.
Some people,myself included,might not look at Porsche with the same eyes they used to look before. Heck,if I look at some of my early posts,I could really get a good laugh,I was completely submerged and blinded by the " best engineered sports car ". I could " take my sword " out and fight for my beliefs. Well...times have changed...the competition is fiercer than ever...and Porsche needs to really step up like never before to reclaim the " throne ".
Whether a manual transmission will help them or not,I don't know...but I doubt it...the young generation,including baby boomers want the latest and greatest technology,whether it's a laser toaster or a fast car.
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I'm just curious what mods they would need to make to the car to compensate for the speed of the shifts with the PDK. After all, you certainly cannot have the dedicated RS track version actually slower at the track given the same drivers and conditions.
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The RS will be low production unlike the GT3 and since it is low production they don't need to have the RS market opened up to bring in high sales that the automatic trans sales bring in. Since it will sell out regardless.
I'd personally like to see a special version of the GT3. No CL, RWS and 6 speed manual. Priced to what a 997 GT3 went for, which means lower then what the current automatic sells at.
I'd personally like to see a special version of the GT3. No CL, RWS and 6 speed manual. Priced to what a 997 GT3 went for, which means lower then what the current automatic sells at.
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Whether they'll go back to offer a manual or not is not that important to me anymore. Sure,I'd love it,but unfortunately they've been pissing off a lot of people lately. If latest reliability concerns prove to be founded or not,the rumor mill can't be stopped from spinning,especially in the Internet day and age and a lot of damage has been done.
Some people,myself included,might not look at Porsche with the same eyes they used to look before. Heck,if I look at some of my early posts,I could really get a good laugh,I was completely submerged and blinded by the " best engineered sports car ". I could " take my sword " out and fight for my beliefs. Well...times have changed...the competition is fiercer than ever...and Porsche needs to really step up like never before to reclaim the " throne ".
Whether a manual transmission will help them or not,I don't know...but I doubt it...the young generation,including baby boomers want the latest and greatest technology,whether it's a laser toaster or a fast car.
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Some people,myself included,might not look at Porsche with the same eyes they used to look before. Heck,if I look at some of my early posts,I could really get a good laugh,I was completely submerged and blinded by the " best engineered sports car ". I could " take my sword " out and fight for my beliefs. Well...times have changed...the competition is fiercer than ever...and Porsche needs to really step up like never before to reclaim the " throne ".
Whether a manual transmission will help them or not,I don't know...but I doubt it...the young generation,including baby boomers want the latest and greatest technology,whether it's a laser toaster or a fast car.
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They weren't perfect, but still one of the most rewarding cars on the market.
Every car has it's set of problems.