TrackFan

I watch all the videos when they come out Mike. I don't see anybody saying the steering is the best they've ever felt. Isn't that what they used to say about Porsche? Electric steering is a by product of needing more economy. That's fine for the majority of the cars Porsche sells. Couldn't they leave the GT3 more for the purist? If not, how about the RS? They seem to be saying every performance car will have electric steering, and PDK. Along with all the other aids it has.

I have a news for Porsche. Not everybody wants the car to be easier to drive. Sometimes progress needs to be stopped, and enjoy what we have. We're talking about a sports car. They should be drivers cars. The goal now seems to be to make the car as easy to drive as possible, as long as it's faster.

Sorry, but i'm not going for it. I guess I need to stick to the older cars that were made for drivers.

Excuse for my minor rant. I've always been upset at what happened to F1. Now it's being carried over to street/track cars.

alpine-al

TrackFan - I enjoy your comments, opinions, and rants. You've quickly become a RennList regular with 79 posts in the 991 GT3 forum since you first posted on RL just five days ago.

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Bluehinder

+1

TrackFan

I'm sort of passionate about the subject. I've thought about getting a GT3 for a few years now. I'm disappointed that when I'm finally ready, they make a GT3 that I don't want.

It's not all lost. I can get an older one, so you guys enjoy your 991 GT3.

frayed

Porsche has always had great steering cars to be sure. But they pale in comparison to Lotus IMO, although they are still better than Ferrari's steering racks. Fiats IMO tend to be quick and precise but lack feel.

The 991 steering was its biggest downfall IMO. That's why I didn't buy a 991S. e-steering is here to stay, however, and it will continue to get better. The problem isn't with the technology (hydraulic to electric) but rather the implementation of the technology. After all, 90% + of the cars out there with 'power' steering aren't worth a schit.

The GT3 will prove there's so much more engineering to be done to get it to where the hydraulic had evolved to, but reading b/t the lines from the reviewers I don't think it will be as good as the 4.0 RS.

Despite being off a few ticks in steering feel to the best hydraulic boxes out there, and despite loss of the manual, I think it will be an epic ride. Can't wait for mine to arrive.

TrackFan

Ah yes, the Lotus! I've been a fan since first seeing Jim Clark drive the Lotus 25/33.

Bill_C4S

Bravo +1

One of the all time great combinations.

Per chance. Did you see Jim Clark race in person?

TrackFan

I did at Watkins Glen in the 60's.

Mike in CA

Fair enough, TrackFan. Makes more sense to me than saying the new steering is like a "simulation with no force feedback" which is where you started. I hope you find a nice used GT3 (or whatever) that meets your needs.

TrackFan

Thanks Mike.


What I meant by the simulation comment was steering can be accurate and precise, but still not have any feel. You don't feel traction being lost, or undulations in the track. It's how a sim feels without force feedback.

markow

the fiat 458 steering beats the 997 CS and obviously C4S steering by a mile, IMHO. it is fast, actually very fast, direct and communicative. i have not driven the 997 GT3/RS though, can't compare.
i have driven the 991 CS and was rather appalled by its steering. much prefer the fezza. probably the 991 GT3 is going to put this straight.
peter

Carrera GT

You're right to start "at the beginning" and not throw money at the latest marketing sensation -- I see precious little value in the cutting edge of 911's since the RS 3.8 circa 2009/2010. Since then, it's been a half a step forward and two yards back. We can only hope the 991 GT3 recovers lost ground.

It all depends on intent and purpose, so if you're track driving, start at the 996 GT3. If you're predominantly road driving, start at the 997.1 GT3 and you might never really find a compelling reason to buy another 911. At least, not for the foreseeable future. If you want to sidestep the expense of buying successive taste tests, and it's your budget, just go directly to the RS 3.8 and you're pretty much at the apex.

Mike in CA

TrackFan, if I thought for a minute that really described the steering of the 991 GT3, I'd be on the phone right now cancelling my order instead of being here . Guess I'm a risk taker after all.

Best,

chuckbdc

Just so you know, the steering on my 991 C2S has plenty of feel- I feel traction being lost and undulations in the track and variations in road surfaces- just not the way I had in my 911 SC, and with better dynamic control, even after lowering the spindles to undo the bump steer that comes with lowering to tracking specs. With Sport PASM and no PDCC, it has more of the old Porsche feel than some other setups. It is different- and for me no way inferior. The essential thing- being able to place the car more precisely than ever, continues the Porsche line.

Road test driver after road test driver, no matter how dubious they start, just "got over it" as they explored the superior dynamics of the 4 wheel steering, the higher stability of the longer wheelbase, the better turn in and absence of understeer with the wider track, and the improved oompf of the new engine. The evidence just overwhelms the speculation.

TrackFan

Ok, I give in. I'll wait for your reviews when you get yours.

Still no manual though.


Let me ask a question about the earlier GT3's for those of you that had/own one.

I read over and over that they start with understeer, and transition to quick oversteer. Would you describe them that way?