No 6 speed in the GT3. Ugh.
03-05-2013, 05:35 PM
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What..you must be kidding..can you provide some proof of that? I mean now Porsche really upgraded ther 991 engine so much that its becoming a track engine..or getting there..,and then they write in the manual.."no track use"..hey, after all this is a GT3. 2 years ago they were laughing about he Nissan GTR...and now...
If today was 1st of April..I would say.."April fools day"
If today was 1st of April..I would say.."April fools day"
03-05-2013, 05:45 PM
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Not the case in Europe...its the first time I hear this..thats why Im asking for the exact quote from the user manual..either 997 GT3 or 991 GT3...wouldnt matter..
I knew cases where Porsche replaced completely overrevved engines for free..to its owners..but they were very very good customers..
03-05-2013, 06:16 PM
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03-05-2013, 06:31 PM
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Hang on..your are telling me that any issue arising on the race track with 996, 997 GT3s etc has always been refused?
Not the case in Europe...its the first time I hear this..thats why Im asking for the exact quote from the user manual..either 997 GT3 or 991 GT3...wouldnt matter..
I knew cases where Porsche replaced completely overrevved engines for free..to its owners..but they were very very good customers..
Not the case in Europe...its the first time I hear this..thats why Im asking for the exact quote from the user manual..either 997 GT3 or 991 GT3...wouldnt matter..
I knew cases where Porsche replaced completely overrevved engines for free..to its owners..but they were very very good customers..
Also, from the owner's manual: "The fitting of racing tires (e.g. slicks) for sporting events is not approved by Porsche. Very high cornering speeds can be achieved with racing tires. However, the resulting transverse acceleration values would jeopardize the adequate supply of oil to the engine. Porsche therefore will not accept any warranty or accept any liability for damage occurring as a result of non-compliance with this provision."
None of this is new. However, depending on the dealer and your relationship with them, this language may be overlooked.
03-05-2013, 06:38 PM
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It's a sad day for Porsche, and for those who love them, when you can still get a stick in a Boxster/S, Cayman/S, Panamera, Cayenne and 991/991S...but not a 991 "GT3"!
A damn shame, and on the heels of the centerlock fiasco, it seems that they're really just VWs now - volume uber alles with accountants & lawyers calling the shots.
Therefore I plan to keep my beloved Luddite Edition '3 for good, switch to 5-lug, and if the Mezger gives out one day it'll go to Sharkwerks for an 8,800 RPM redline/500 HP 3.9.
A damn shame, and on the heels of the centerlock fiasco, it seems that they're really just VWs now - volume uber alles with accountants & lawyers calling the shots.
Therefore I plan to keep my beloved Luddite Edition '3 for good, switch to 5-lug, and if the Mezger gives out one day it'll go to Sharkwerks for an 8,800 RPM redline/500 HP 3.9.
On a track the length of the Nordschleife, sure. On a regular track of, say, 2.5 miles? I seriously doubt it except in the hands of a novice.
03-05-2013, 06:44 PM
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The exact quote from the warranty booklet is: "Components and/or parts that fail during racing or driving events (including Porsche sponsored events) will not be covered by the new car limited warranty."
Also, from the owner's manual: "The fitting of racing tires (e.g. slicks) for sporting events is not approved by Porsche. Very high cornering speeds can be achieved with racing tires. However, the resulting transverse acceleration values would jeopardize the adequate supply of oil to the engine. Porsche therefore will not accept any warranty or accept any liability for damage occurring as a result of non-compliance with this provision."
None of this is new. However, depending on the dealer and your relationship with them, this language may be overlooked.
Also, from the owner's manual: "The fitting of racing tires (e.g. slicks) for sporting events is not approved by Porsche. Very high cornering speeds can be achieved with racing tires. However, the resulting transverse acceleration values would jeopardize the adequate supply of oil to the engine. Porsche therefore will not accept any warranty or accept any liability for damage occurring as a result of non-compliance with this provision."
None of this is new. However, depending on the dealer and your relationship with them, this language may be overlooked.
Anyway, whatever is written there...the car will have to battle itself on the track..not by arguing with lawyers in the showroom..
all the best,
03-05-2013, 06:47 PM
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I think when the 997.2 PDk came out..Porsche officially claimed the time gain from PdK to manual with around 1.2-1.5 seconds on their Leipzig race track. But dont nail me down on the numbers..somebody else might have to confirm it again..
03-05-2013, 06:48 PM
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Thanks..so this is the quote from the new 991 GT3 owners manual? What you quote is the 997.2 or 991 owners manual..if Im not mistaken..or?
Anyway, whatever is written there...the car will have to battle itself on the track..not by arguing with lawyers in the showroom..
all the best,
Anyway, whatever is written there...the car will have to battle itself on the track..not by arguing with lawyers in the showroom..
all the best,
03-05-2013, 06:50 PM
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Could be. But realize that the 997.2 has a sloppy box and a sloppier clutch and flywheel. The GT3 has neither, and I would suspect the "difference" on an average track would be less than a second with a skilled driver. JMHO.
03-05-2013, 06:54 PM
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Thanks anyway..hope you will order it soon so you can give us some feedback..
03-05-2013, 06:57 PM
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the difference was measured by the factory drivers. In fact many people may ask..why is the difference not bigger?. In the 997 the PdK carried around 30Kg more..thats what "slows it down" again..yes the shifting is faster...but carrying the extra weight penalises again....
03-05-2013, 08:20 PM
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Porsche.collector, the other guys are correct. Some/many dealers look the other way but tracking is strictly forbidden as far as warranty is concerned in the US.
Just as an example, my buddy's 997 GT3 was having a transmission issue and was taken to a dealer under CPO warranty. Porsche denied coverage because they "researched" online and found his name on the online registration list of a DE event. This is not the only example of US GT3 owners running into problems.
OTOH, it's true and fair for Porsche to not want to fix for free what you broke on the track (by screwing up, that is, not just parts breaking).
Just as an example, my buddy's 997 GT3 was having a transmission issue and was taken to a dealer under CPO warranty. Porsche denied coverage because they "researched" online and found his name on the online registration list of a DE event. This is not the only example of US GT3 owners running into problems.
OTOH, it's true and fair for Porsche to not want to fix for free what you broke on the track (by screwing up, that is, not just parts breaking).